Who is still using FarceBook??

[LewisM]

Originally Posted by dpastern

Yes, I'm aware of this too. I guarantee every bit of data entering and leaving the country is being datamined by carnivore type software searching for specific keywords.

Why do you think the LNP is trying to introduce legislation to crack encrypted data? And, they're refusing to admit how they're doing so. Do some of these people think that big US companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco etc won't provide back doors to the US government at the drop of a whim?

I have nothing to hide, but I value my privacy nevertheless. And a government that snoops on you at this level, and uses tools like Facebook, is just plain morally wrong. They can make all the laws that they like, it's still WRONG. They can make all the supposed justifications that they want (terrorists, etc) and they are still WRONG. MOST people are too bloody well stupid to really realise what's going on - governments want to know everything that you, as an individual do. It makes you easier to control. Some interesting reading on the subject:

https://www.networkworld.com/article...s-illegal.html

society has gone to the dogs anyway, i give us 50 years tops. The extinction of the human species will be the very best thing for this planet and every other species on it. I say that with no regrets.

Little correction there - Cisco already has a built in back door, and they kind of warn clients about it too.

Same for Samsung smart products too.

[LewisM]

50 years? That's being overly optimistic given how the US - in it's End of Empire death throes - is heading. Only a matter of time until they unleash something nuclear in a last-ditch hurrah.

The Deep State is showing it's head more and more. With POTUS Pompeo, VP Bolton and Mattis, big SHTF is coming.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by LewisM

Little correction there - Cisco already has a built in back door, and they kind of warn clients about it too.

Same for Samsung smart products too.

oh yeah, my bad!

some interesting reading:

https://www.networkworld.com/article...till-open.html

https://www.infoworld.com/article/26...-products.html

Why do you think the US and its cohorts (UK, Australia) so desperately want Snowden...he's exposed the huge LIES of these respective countries, lies that most citizens are too bloody well stupid to believe...the irony is, they believe the spoon fed BS that our respective governments feed us...

A general question for some of the more naive people in this thread - do you think your AV software will find any CIA initiated spy software? Nope...

Originally Posted by LewisM

50 years? That's being overly optimistic given how the US - in it's End of Empire death throes - is heading. Only a matter of time until they unleash something nuclear in a last-ditch hurrah.

The Deep State is showing it's head more and more. With POTUS Pompeo, VP Bolton and Mattis, big SHTF is coming.

i was being generous. :-)

edit: why do some of you think optic fibre driven SIP voice communications are being pushed...easier to intercept data than with a traditional PSTN.

2nd edit: Scott McNeely, CEO of Sun Microssystems doesn't think much of privacy...

https://www.wired.com/1999/01/sun-on...y-get-over-it/

the arrogance of business, obviously showing that they are in league with illegal governmental spying...

[AndrewJ]

I find it interesting on the news tonight that the opposition are still playing quiet on their true views re the new foreign interference laws until after the upcoming by elections.
It was reported that chinese social media sites are pushing hard to direct local voters in Bennelong to vote according to the best wishes of China.
Imagine how much the info on "non chinese friendly locals" would be worth, soi they can be indirectly lobbied.

It is this sort of thing that the FB data can provide, possibly to our detriment.


Andrew

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

I find it interesting on the news tonight that the opposition are still playing quiet on their true views re the new foreign interference laws until after the upcoming by elections.
It was reported that chinese social media sites are pushing hard to direct local voters in Bennelong to vote according to the best wishes of China.
Imagine how much the info on "non chinese friendly locals" would be worth, soi they can be indirectly lobbied.

It is this sort of thing that the FB data can provide, possibly to our detriment.


Andrew

knowledge is power.

[Nikolas (Nik)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

This is exactly where machine learning and modelling shine. By parsing a huge amount of data, which FB and any other online service collected over years, it is possible to prepare the data in a format that can be fed into an series of algorithm that will isolate trends, fit your profile within certain categories, learn about what you like or dislike, even model your future needs, provided your digital footprint is diverse enough which probably is if you have been online for over a decade like the rest of us. From there it is very lucrative to sell this "data" to commercial entities to better target markets and geographical locations. A very simple example is spotify. Because they already know by whom and where their app is used and its frequency they can approach big music labels to tell them where they should plan their touring bands to go saving money in transport and maximising sales.

I use an adblocker and never SEE ads so why would I give a rats arse?

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

I use an adblocker and never SEE ads so why would I give a rats arse?

...but they still see you not giving a rats arse.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

...but they still see you not giving a rats arse.

what is it with rat's posteriors?

[silv (Annette)]

#7 Imme (jon)

I’m forced to use it for work purposes...as a promotions tool.
[...]
Facebook metrics now show main users now are women with children in the 32-44 age group. That figure is more or less reflected in the followers of the page I manage for work....84% middle aged women wiht kids.

Business pages are a lot different to personal pages, they record a lot of data on your users, where they click, how long they look for and what else they look at........pretty crazy really that this info is so easily farmed and passed on.

Regarding Fan-Pages on Facebook you - and others - might be interested: The European Court ruled this week that they are deemed as "data processing agents" in technical and responsible ways in cooperation with Facebook.
Meaning, a fan-page which does not inform and ask for consent its subscribers of the various data processing tools the page uses, they are violating the General Data Protection Regulation.

That Facebook's system doesn't offer this particular confirmation of consent for a subscriber doesn't mean the Page administrator, i.e. you, are not responsible. You still are.

The ruling this week dealt with a German individual pre-GDPR-case against the fanpage of a rather unimportant regional organisation.

Now, don't shout in despair about such a ruling. What it should mobilize you and your business to do is to ask/force Facebook to give you the system tool for asking for consent. And/or also a tool to disable the data collection and processing of all or parts of the offered parameters.

Remember, you don't even have the tool to keep EU-users out of your fanpage. So you ARE liable for GDPR-violations, whether or not you are located in the EU.

Force Facebook. Ask them to comply with the effing law. Ask them to stop making YOU a criminal.

[silv (Annette)]

on the side: is your business' target group identical or close to identical with "women with children in the 32-44 age group"?

I wouldn't be too surprised if Facebook deliberately falsified statistics to make and keep your business a satisfied customer.

[silv (Annette)]

#66 Nikolas "I use an adblocker and never SEE ads so why would I give a rats arse?"

Because your tracked data is still collected, psychologically and financially profiled, and sold and re-sold to other players.

So for example - once the banking system in Australia is fixed and you apply for a mortgage but don't get one... your browsing profile might well have something to do with that.
Or, if you were US american and your health insurance suddenly ups your premium - it might well have to do with the fact that you subscribed to a Mount Everest fanpage on Facebook.

And so on. And that's only the effect on your personal economics. There's also the "benefit" for state agencies which can obtain the data pool and some stupid agent draws conclusions that make you a terrorist or something.

You as an individual are vulnerable in so many ways when your personal data is on sale.

[Nikolas (Nik)]

pfffft there's nothing in it imho as for banking profile i'm too old to get a loan now not that i want to loan anything not a us citizen don't give a rats unless they like bad jokes
you are really drawing a long bow here

[Nikolas (Nik)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

...but they still see you not giving a rats arse.

They can see that all they want. Tin foil brigade some of you

[silv (Annette)]

if you're too old... do you have grand kids or grand-nieces/nephews?
It might just be that your not giving a rat's ass causes them and their generation to be manipulated and wrongly categorized And that the society will no longer be viable for independent individuals who don't give a rat's ass. People will begin to control themselves and their behaviour proactively. No more naked dancing in the living room and singing at the top of your voice - for fear the mortgage and health insurance could rise.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by silv

if you're too old... do you have grand kids or grand-nieces/nephews?
It might just be that your not giving a rat's ass causes them and their generation to be manipulated and wrongly categorized And that the society will no longer be viable for independent individuals who don't give a rat's ass. People will begin to control themselves and their behaviour proactively. No more naked dancing in the living room and singing at the top of your voice - for fear the mortgage and health insurance could rise.

Oh Annette - what a breath of fresh logic you've provided! I enjoyed your factual posts.

tchus

[Nikolas (Nik)]

Tin foil hats for all Murdoch is winning because of alarmist crap and some of you are swallowing it up.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

Tin foil hats for all Murdoch is winning because of alarmist crap and some of you are swallowing it up.

Take the time to watch the entirety of the Noam Chomsky video that I posted in another thread Nikolas. It's not alarmist at all.

[silv (Annette)]

#27 astroron (Ron)
This is a free country and you're at will not to use face book,
Nobody is forcing anyone to use it.
There is enough information out there for people to be careful as to what they do on face book.

Non-users have a Facebook profile, too. Non-users are tracked, their device and browser "fingerprinted", de-anonymized and data pooled with other sources by Facebook, too.
Every webpage that shows a social media "Like" or "share" button notifies Facebook of your visit. Regardless of whether you're a user or not.
"Facebook pixel" is another tracker but invisible to a web visitor.

And if you have been a user but "deleted" your profile, only the official part of that profile has gotten deleted. The big rest they had collected on you, the advertising relevant part of your browsing habits, your financial status etc. stays on their servers and is continuously used and added to by Facebook and their business partners.

These are no conspiracy theories; Zucki admitted it in the hearings before Congress and Senate.

And it's against the new EU GDPR.
And it's going to violate the new e-privacy regulation of which 2 drafts are currently in discussion behind closed EU doors - bigly lobbied against by Facebook & Co., newspapers, and everyone who believes that surveillance, profiling and micro-targeting, i.e. manipulating people on the very individual level is the "new oil".

[silv (Annette)]

Dave "tchus" at the end of your post makes the preceding sentence sound sarcastic. And "tchus" then could also be interpreted as "delete yourself".
Is that intentional? If you were German I'd say it is intentional but an Aussi isn't usually that rude so I better ask and get a chance to verify or amend my nationalism/racism regarding Aussi's politeness.

[LewisM]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

Tin foil hats for all Murdoch is winning because of alarmist crap and some of you are swallowing it up.

Alarmist enough for a full Senate enquiry costing millions in the USA...

Enough for the Australian government to expend MILLIONS of dollars on helping prevent against the government systems?

I suggested reading the ASD guidelines a few posts ago. The ASD is the Australian Signals Directorate - basically, cyber security on steroids in Australia. I'd suggest at a minimum following and adhering to many of their Essential 8. There is PLENTY of reading on their website for anyone interested in FACT, not crap. Here is a primer for you: https://www.asd.gov.au/publications/...rity-model.htm