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13-01-2017, 11:02 AM
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Two minutes in a history book...
This guy's style of comedy is an acquired taste...
If you do watch it, give it at least until the 2m10s mark... He does have a valid point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wocCx_2NNk
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13-01-2017, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AussieTrooper
Every time I've been involved in something (or had a good friend that was), the news did not accurately reflect the true story.
I don't watch the TV news any more.
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Ditto, though I've never been in a nuclear war so I can't comment on how accurately they are reported. 
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13-01-2017, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AussieTrooper
Every time I've been involved in something (or had a good friend that was), the news did not accurately reflect the true story.
I don't watch the TV news any more.
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That's a very good point Ben. There is very centered ownership of the news now-days, compared to even 20 years ago.
They tell us the message they want to convey, not necessarily the facts. They tell us those parts of the news that they want to use to manipulate our conceptions, to help guide us in the direction they/their editors and ultimately their paying stakeholders want. There is always some perception of balance: one side V the other, Labor V Liberal, Eco V Industrialist, Male V Female, Religion X V Religion Y. How many bad news stories can one tell: in-a-row? Sometimes it seems there's no limit. I wouldn't bother supporting other than your own personal view- their managed puppet show of the news is just that.
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13-01-2017, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JA
That's a very good point Ben. There is very centered ownership of the news now-days, compared to even 20 years ago.
They tell us the message they want to convey, not necessarily the facts. They tell us those parts of the news that they want to use to manipulate our conceptions, to help guide us in the direction they/their editors and ultimately their paying stakeholders want. There is always some perception of balance: one side V the other, Labor V Liberal, Eco V Industrialist, Male V Female, Religion X V Religion Y. How many bad news stories can one tell: in-a-row? Sometimes it seems there's no limit. I wouldn't bother supporting other than your own personal view- their managed puppet show of the news is just that.
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Yep. Someone says something nasty on a train -> 2 minute segment about how horrible it all is, with mobile phone video and social commentary.
Someone gets stabbed and robbed -> brief mention.
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13-01-2017, 02:52 PM
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Ditto, though I've never been in a nuclear war so I can't comment on how accurately they are reported. |
I have relatives who were involved in both sides of the last nuclear war. None of them are still alive though.
At least back then the government and media were honest about the fact that they restricted the news coverage.
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14-01-2017, 10:23 AM
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Clive Milne knows the score. It's refreshing to see a thread where people can understand that not all Israeli's are zionists, and not all Jews are Israelis.
The poor non-Israeli Jews get a really raw deal. They are automatically tarred with the brush of that psychotic apartheid state run by war criminals when in fact many of them (at least many non-US or non-Australian groups) oppose the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and the expansion of settlements.
Still some people that automatically play the Godwin "Hitler would love this thread" card when they clearly don't understand anything about the situation, but it's heartening to see many starting to pay attention to the plight of the Palestinians rather than automatically buying the spin that Israel is the victim.
As far as nuclear war goes, for many decades now by far the most likely state to launch a nuke is Israel, at Iranian nuclear power plants or enrichment facilities. They have openly threatened to do as much on numerous occasions which is something nobody else has really done in a long time.
In scholarly International Relations circles Israel is viewed as much more dangerous than North Korea (or pretty much anyone else for that matter) in terms of the likelihood of starting major wars or nuclear strikes. Many factors of 10 more likely than any other nuclear power after that.
(Edit: <--- 7 years of study in International Relations and Economics specialising in Middle East and in particular the Israel/Palestine conflict with a BA and MA in that field. Was offered a PHD spot by Australia's leading expert but couldn't face it at the time. Apparently (according to my old professor) I'm about to have a couple of my old essays on the subject published too. So no, I'm not a google armchair warrior spouting the latest antisemetic drivel off some questionable conspiracy website).
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14-01-2017, 10:39 AM
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"It's refreshing to see a thread where people can understand that not all Israeli's are zionists, and not all Jews are Israelis"
Fair point - but you missed one bit: not all Israelis are Jews. In fact, Tel Aviv would be considered a 'secular' city in comparison to,say, Jerusalem.
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14-01-2017, 01:26 PM
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Why does Australia not have the bomb? or do we?
Being rich in resources, particularly uranium, could we not consider that there may be other nations that would see us as a rich prize...
Alex
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14-01-2017, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by deanm
"It's refreshing to see a thread where people can understand that not all Israeli's are zionists, and not all Jews are Israelis"
Fair point - but you missed one bit: not all Israelis are Jews. In fact, Tel Aviv would be considered a 'secular' city in comparison to,say, Jerusalem.
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True, though the Israeli government seems hell bent on changing that. Any non-jews are persecuted. They are gradually trying to force out Christians, and if they could put all muslims in a truck and drive to a one way border stop and get away with it, they'd do that too.
The Israeli government consistently opposes recognition of the Armenian Genocide, which occurred whilst Israel was a part of the Ottoman empire.
Given how much press the Jewish holocaust gets, it's more than a little hypocritical.
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14-01-2017, 02:02 PM
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It bet if the Israeli LOBBY came across this thread, a lot of you/us would be called Anti Semites.
Al Jazeera has done an under cover investigation into The Lobby.
http://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/
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14-01-2017, 02:37 PM
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Yes we are lucky that news is available from many places.
So what is really going on in the Ukraine?
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Stalemate/frozen war.
If you want an indication of how Ukrainian the regions of Ukraine actually are, trace the languages spoken by the people. In Crimea this is only 10%. In the contested areas like Donetsk, it is about 24%. The vast majority in these areas speaking Russian ( source)
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14-01-2017, 03:32 PM
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That's the standard tactic of many people/lobby groups these days. The best way to get your way is to prevent any debate into what you are doing by claiming to be 'offended' and call anyone who dares discuss it racist, anti-Semite or whatever.
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14-01-2017, 03:58 PM
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After more than a lonely decade of walking against the howling gale of the Hasbara... this almost feels like a 100th monkey moment.
Google Hasbara if you care for a side journey down the rabbit hole.
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14-01-2017, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by clive milne
After more than a lonely decade of walking against the howling gale of the Hasbara... this almost feels like a 100th monkey moment.
Google Hasbara if you care for a side journey down the rabbit hole.
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I think I know what you are saying Clive but I am not sure.
However I note with concern many discussions at the pub or club have folk who you would not class as historians or politically interested proclaiming that Israel is the cause of USA involvement in ME.
Once these discussions never took place ever.
I always keep quiet and so one gets to hear what the "locals" are thinking.
I think the access to the net is changing things.
Something comes up all pull out their phones and all get informed real quick.
Interesting times ahead.
Alex
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14-01-2017, 07:01 PM
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Yes Alex,
If I read you correctly, that is my fear too.
Once the penny drops in the (human) collective consciousness the extent to which global terrorism can (overwhelmingly) be attributed to false flag operations conducted by the criminal psychopaths working for the Mossad, et al) ... The backlash against (otherwise innocent) people who identify with the notion of being Jewish, is not going to be pretty, nor fair.
My hope is that ethical Israeli's expose and bring to account the criminal element that has poisoned their culture for some time now.... before it's too late. Because when it becomes known... that which has been done in the name of Judaism..
I don't imagine there will be any coming back from that, nor will there be many rocks to hide under.
They will be regarded as international pariahs for as long as they bear the name Israel.
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14-01-2017, 07:23 PM
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Clive the danger will always be generalisations.
Add to that... A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Personally I remain hopeful that all religions will unite under the realisation that we need to pull together to ward off the enemy from an adjoining solar system who we dont even know exists.
One change is needed but I am not sure what it should be.
Alex
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14-01-2017, 07:50 PM
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Most humans have been happy with the cucumber why does that have to change.
CEO pay packets v unemployment pitance and no one complains.
The monkey is smarter than a human cause clearly the monkey would not happy accept the nonsence we do.
Alex
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14-01-2017, 08:03 PM
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Alex... it's interesting to note that in a certain percentage of the experiments, the privileged monkey refused the second grape.
I guess that shows a degree of social awareness rarely seen in human society,
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14-01-2017, 08:40 PM
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Alex... it's interesting to note that in a certain percentage of the experiments, the privileged monkey refused the second grape.
I guess that shows a degree of social awareness rarely seen in human society,
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I await and welcome the planet of the apes.
It seems a few countries have the bomb about eight or nine and we don't.
We have colour TV yet no bomb our priorities are all wrong.
Alex
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