Renewables - Death Knell?

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

I did grow up next to many nuclear plants and under high voltage power lines. Apart from a third eye I'm perfectly healthy. Seriously this is a greenie stereotype.

Well, according to Renato, I'm a Greenie Monk but I have no real issues with nuclear energy. The major problems are bad design, stupidity and that unpleasant waste issue, all of which can be solved or have become a side issue to the likely consequences of significant climate change.

Personally, I see any hope of a future being based on nuclear and a range of decentralised renewable. Makes a lot of sense, but nobody in govt has the nuts to leave coal behind.

Originally Posted by multiweb

Funny story about those mussels. They grew so quickly that some were starting to block the water intake. So they installed a system that would release a little chlorine to kill the excess based on a timer. It worked for a while. Then the mussels came back in bigger numbers. They adapted and closed their shells at the same time every day. They had to link a computer and inject chlorine at random intervals. Amazing how quickly life adapts.

Great Story. I wish it were applicable to all species.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

Well, according to Renato, I'm a Greenie Monk but I have no real issues with nuclear energy. The major problems are bad design, stupidity and that unpleasant waste issue, all of which can be solved or have become a side issue to the likely consequences of significant climate change.

Personally, I see any hope of a future being based on nuclear and a range of decentralised renewable. Makes a lot of sense, but nobody in govt has the nuts to leave coal behind.



Great Story. I wish it were applicable to all species.

Realistically... we'll use all the coal there is, then burn all the gaz there is and when there's nothing left to burn we'll go nuclear because that's the only thing we'll have left to generate base load.

Maybe mussels are smarter than us .

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Maybe mussels are smarter than us .

We don't need to state the obvious here

[xelasnave]

To Marc
I found your post interesting.
I hope your comment about...greenie stereotype .. was not aimed at me as to stereotype me is a mistake and frankly I don't like being put in a box with any label
I doubt if stereotyping anyone is useful but that is your choice but I ask please don't do it with me.
A chap called me homeless once because I guess I have a beard and was dirty from working on my yacht all day and dropping into the pub for a beer.
Others around who knew me laughed not at me but at him.
In any event ones status should have no bearing on an argument
Perhaps the homeless incident has made me ssensitive but I would be doing you a disservice not to declare my position

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

To Marc
I found your post interesting.
I hope your comment about...greenie stereotype .. was not aimed at me as to stereotype me is a mistake and frankly I don't like being put in a box with any label
I doubt if stereotyping anyone is useful but that is your choice but I ask please don't do it with me.
A chap called me homeless once because I guess I have a beard and was dirty from working on my yacht all day and dropping into the pub for a beer.
Others around who knew me laughed not at me but at him.
In any event ones status should have no bearing on an argument
Perhaps the homeless incident has made me ssensitive but I would be doing you a disservice not to declare my position

Did they take you off the happy gaz Alex? Not directed at you no. There are good greenies too. And more now pot is going to be legalised.

[astroron (Ron)]

People can call me a Greenie if they like, I will and be proud of the compliment
Cheers

[xelasnave]

Thanks for straightening that out Marc. I did not get offended but felt I had to say what I said.
Down to one tablet a day and all is good.
Legalising any illicit drug is not a good move in my view and more so when it is to secure votes...it a joke but the consequences may be less so

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by astroron

People can call me a Greenie if they like, I will and be proud of the compliment
Cheers

I am like a cat I resist being put in a box.

There is a guy down the road who says he is a red neck grey greenie and of course red neck and greenie are really not in the same camp.

Regards alex

[astroron (Ron)]

Is it being put in a box, for standing up for the protection of this land/world we live in
Lone voices in the wilderness very seldom get heard, even though that have something great to say.
Cheers

[xelasnave]

I like the Queen but I am not a royalist...
I support some environment issues but that does not make me an environmentalist
I could make a list.
And if there is one thing Ron I have done my share for all sorts of.causes and my view is let a younger man make his mark.
I have a small influence only via folk asking my view which I will give sometimes but like to answer..well what do you think.
Nuclear power will go forward it is rather a big business I just do not like the inability of it's advocates to conceed humans make mistakes..earthquakes happen ..don't think those who are trusted are infallible...and when something goes wrong as in Japan recognise it is a business that when things go wrong the consequences are greater than the Nuclear power lobby would have us accept.
I saw some of their propaganda re Japan....there were no deaths but some people were tramatised..the implication one would draw was..well those folk were mentally unstable..not nice to play the game that way

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by Renato1

That huge amount of money that was spent on wind farms hasn't actually much reduced the use of coal generated power at all - it can't. Gas fired stations could reduce the usage of fossil fuels because they can be turned off when renewables pump in power at peak periods.
Regards,
Renato

Ah yes, Gas, the affordable option. Even though we have massive reserves, most of them are owned by big corporations, thanks to the economic rationalists in the twit pen, and it's being sold overseas faster than they can extract it, all in the name of the mighty buck, of course.

Our resources, sold to the highest bidder and the poor mugs that used to own it, US, will be paying up to 4 times what it costs to extract. Why? Cos Asia wants ever more energy and they cant do it themselves. So, imagine how the public would react to a 400% increase in their power bill if we relied on Renato's gas?? Of course, Asia may want the gas because its a bit less polluting than coal

The same economic rationalists push for coal seam gas ramp up to increase supply, but disregard the devastation it will probably do to the aquifers that supply our drinking water... amongst other things. Of course, once again, its a finite and highly polluting resource... but the environment and climate are "externalities", and therefore irrelevant.

"Renewables - Death Knell". Yeah right! Those in the twit pen seem frantic to sell as much of our resources overseas as fast as they can, and wonder why Aussies want to use renewable sources of energy.

Ultimately, Hockey Puck will want to tax sunlight I suspect. We seem to have an over abundance of it after all ... No, No, I stand corrected, "No new taxes", remember?

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

Ultimately, Hockey will want to tax sunlight I suspect. We seem to have an over abundance of it after all ... No, No, I stand corrected, "No new taxes", remember?

We'll all have to move to Melbourne then

[glend (Glen)]

Apparently the energy retailers can Opt Out of whatever your contracted rate is at any time and there is nothing that can be done about it. This happened to me recently and here is an article that explains the the energy industry is regulated by itself:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/all-p...731-zyvp9.html

In Britain contracts are inforcable but not so here.

BTW gas is not an option for long as the retail gas industry is moving to world spot price for gas and the people getting cozy deals on it at substidised rates are seeing increases already. This is the new area where duel supply retailers like AGL can make more money both ways.

[el_draco (Rom)]

Sounds more and more like the only way to protect yourself a bit is to do Off-Grid or Grid feed. The rich out to get richer and their minions rig the system to facilitate it. Australia is looking more like the good 'ol USA every day.