Carbon tax scrapped

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Anyone step up give energy saving advice..ask where the energy goes..does your office have a hot water service that is unused and inefficient..is there300 fridges in your office block with100 liters of milk.. Light around that are not needed..see something can't you complain..Binning need to be brought to their knees and they are only one...just stop blaming the government they will follow but someone must lead
Alexa

Here are a few things I do:

1/ avoid long distance travel,
2/ Reduce use of heating
3/ Eat locally grown, low km food, seasonally.
4/ Almost vegetarian
5/ Avoid unnecessary purchases where possible.
6/ Plant LOTS of trees
7/ Avoid buying new when I can
8/ Cut power use, lights off. No stand-by modes, efficient bulbs etc etc
9/ Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
10/ Support "GREEN" causes, businesses, programs
11/ Attack anything contrary to the above
etc etc etc.

Hell of a alot an individual can do; waste of time waiting for ABBOTT and his ilk.

[xelasnave]

Great..
You are a hero and be proud of it...

If everyone just did a little we are closer to the goal
Example will change the masses
It is early says
Travel is my down fall cause I have to go to Sydney for Dad...but 1200cc car thrift to accelerate etc.
Use camper stove at home and in Sydney..use one pot for cooking eating..one 85 watt solar panel at home 100 amp battery
In Sydney very frugal still use camper had stove and not luxury of flash kitchen dishwasher etc
Boat uses three sail

[xelasnave]

And I command 200 acre of large fallible trees .. I live what I peace and there others..

[xelasnave]

Don't waste energy on cutting hair
Water gravity fed wear clothes for warmth not fashion..7 inch tv acoustiIIc guitar mostly..

[Amaranthus (Barry)]

Avoid unnecessary purchases where possible

Rom, does that include all the astronomy gear you claim to have in boxes?

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Hey what's all this baloney about doing things myself , I'm not doing anything at all mate, well not until I know the rest of the population of the world is doing the same as I am..fair enough isn't it?...otherwise it is wasting my time and making me less competitive, so get stuffed! Actually I throw all my rubbish out the window too when I drive and I also occasionally flush chemicals down the drain too, I mean fair suck, I am only one person and there are other people out there who throw heeeeaps more down the drain than I do, so what the bloody hell difference does my bit of Macas rappers, grease and paint make in the scheme of things...I mean really? I don't know of anyone who disposes of their waste responsibly or reduces there overall waste, so why should I Actually I was at the bay the other day and had a can of sump oil, was going to cost me to dispose of it safely...so I dropped it over the side of the boat, what can 5ltrs of sump do in a big sea anyway?..I've seen others do it.

Crazy stuff

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Hey what's all this baloney about doing things myself , I'm not doing anything at all mate, well not until I know the rest of the population of the world is doing the same as I am..fair enough isn't it?...otherwise it is wasting my time and making me less competitive, so get stuffed! Actually I throw all my rubbish out the window too when I drive and I also occasionally flush chemicals down the drain too, I mean fair suck, I am only one person and there are other people out there who throw heeeeaps more down the drain than I do, so what the bloody hell difference does my bit of Macas rappers, grease and paint make in the scheme of things...I mean really??

Crazy stuff

Pissing in the ocean again?

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Pissing in the ocean again?

Hey, you just keep pissing Marc..and don't stop until the other brainless drunks stop...much cheaper than buying a toilet, don't waste your money

[xelasnave]

Perfectly valid
You do as you want
Why bother to be better when you can mingle in the mediocrity others have chosen.
But you Mike really are above that attitude.
You are a leader type.
I watch your adventures and have for years and I have no concerns that you would letI the undesirable tends contine.
I think your proposition may be to have others look at their behaviour not yours

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Hey, you just keep pissing Marc..and don't stop until the other brainless drunks stop...much cheaper than buying a toilet, don't waste your money

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Nice..Nero?

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Nice..Nero?

Nero?

[andyc (Andy)]

It was bad day for Australia, moving from leaders to running in the wrong direction. Global warming isn't going away, physics just doesn't work that way, and the rest of the world is moving (slowly) towards limiting carbon pollution.

Now Australia has stripped the income from the carbon price, while keeping the compensation - all the better to fool people that they'd be better off. If the coalition get their way, they'll impose a much more inefficient carbon tax, imposed on all ordinary Australians and paying big polluters, and named "direct action".

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by andyc

It was bad day for Australia, moving from leaders to running in the wrong direction. Global warming isn't going away, physics just doesn't work that way, and the rest of the world is moving (slowly) towards limiting carbon pollution.

Now Australia has stripped the income from the carbon price, while keeping the compensation - all the better to fool people that they'd be better off. If the coalition get their way, they'll impose a much more inefficient carbon tax, imposed on all ordinary Australians and paying big polluters, and named "direct action".

We are not talking politics it is against the rules
We have been talking about individually doing constructive things and not let our.displeasure with politicians curve our energy such that we lose focus upon it is us who need act..Don't blame Tony if you and I set the example it is important to us he will follow ..but while Mike throws macaw wrappers out his window we won't get Tony believing we ..Tony sees few people care our actions will change and he will respond

[wulfgar]

Originally Posted by andyc

Global warming isn't going away, physics just doesn't work that way,

The Earth is flat, try and prove that it isn't, get used to it!

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Who is Klaatu?

Keanu Reeves eco warrior from outer space.

"If the Earth dies, You die! If You die the Earth lives!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day...282008_film%29

[blink138 (Pat)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Nero?

watching while rome burned perhaps mark?
pat

[Renato1 (Renato)]

Originally Posted by andyc

and the rest of the world is moving (slowly) towards limiting carbon pollution.

Hi Andy,
I think you would be extremely hard pressed to back up that statement - even the "(slowly)" part.

Certainly, none of the politicians and greenies who continuously make it have ever backed it up with facts - and it should be so simple to do so.

I suspect that Tony Abbott's expensive Direct Action plan, coupled with John Howard's far more expensive Renewable Energy Target still puts us way out in the lead in this exercise of self immolation. Luckily, we're still rich enough to afford this self indulgence. Germany and Spain have had to pull back because it was too expensive, and the recent cabinet reshuffle in the UK results in the Government there looking decidedly less warmist than it had been.

Regards,
Renato

[xelasnave]

What is average carbon footprint of Mr Average any one have a figure

Ok what I an getting at you output so much co2 how many trees do you need to say you are carbon nuetral .
So we can say simply plant x number of trees or you die..
We go house to house. Occupants can comply or we grind them up for fertilizer
Seriously any one have an idea how many trees each person needs.
So we can see if a personal program could work.

[joe_smith]

Don't worry people the planet is fine. It was here long before us and will do fine long after we go. If a giant asteroid couldn't kill it, I doubt we can.

Look what we are doing to each other. This is millions of time worse than the global warming effect on us as a global race . How about we try and save humanity first, because if we don't, we wont need a planet.

[xelasnave]

Hi Joe
Thanks for being so positive.
That's the attitude we need.
So many folk have given in and their very dispair now becomes part of the problem because they throw in the towel.
Look at poor Mike and upstanding chap who once cared about the planet reduced to the status of a common litter bug.
What brought about his behaviour one can only guess but I suggest probably dispair that no one seemed to care.
We need your optimism support and encouragement that we will not kill the planet so hope can live.
I would ask a little favour however no to mention the asteroid thing and I presume you refer to the mass extinction taking out most of the reptiles who were.unhindeted for millions of years.. The prospect may cause some to think the human race will be sent extinct from another cause seemingly sent by nature but indeed sent by themselves.
Thanks again we must believe we won't kill the planet and never release hold of that belief.
Thank you again for your positive contribution to this non political thread.