On-line: NBN Petition

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Ausrock

but the reality is that the vast majority of users don't need more than the best service currently available.

Oh visionary stuff that thank god we have progressives or we would be still living in caves

[Ausrock (Chris)]

Oh for goodness sake...............you obviously confuse want with need

I just started to type a lengthy explanation of what I meant but have wiped it as it's obvious some people just aren't capable of seeing beyond the end of their 'scopes.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Ausrock

Oh for goodness sake...............you obviously confuse want with need

No, not at all, I just think if Australia is gong to be upgrading infrastructure to move to the next era of telecommunications it should be done properly, first time, it's as simple as that

[Steffen]

Originally Posted by Ausrock

It's been an interesting thread...........seeing the various comments from those who appear to believe they are entitled to the highest available speed service to those who are more than able to exist with what is currently available to them.

You are way off the mark. After so many posts explaining what the NBN is about you're still reducing the argument to some people wanting "faster downloads".

My street is served by Bigpond cable and I have a choice of 30 or 100Mbps. I don't think the NBN is important just because I want faster downloads for myself.

Cheers
Steffen.

[Ausrock (Chris)]

Mike, that's how I approach most things I do and if you doubt me I'm happy to put you in contact with the guy who started the company I work for........I've been pissing him off for five years bacause of my approach ...........but one thing I've learnt is that there are circumstances where the time (ie; cost) to do something properly just can't be justified..........so, as I said, the vast majority of internet users, (who unless I'm very mistaken are within the domestic market), don't really need optimum speed and it's a crap shoot as to when, if ever, they will. A business with high usage and reliance on fast internet communications is a different story BUT let them pay a premium for the facility/service and don't pass it on to the average user.

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

No, not at all, I just think if Australia is gong to be upgrading infrastructure to move to the next era of telecommunications it should be done properly, first time, it's as simple as that

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

No, not at all, I just think if Australia is gong to be upgrading infrastructure to move to the next era of telecommunications it should be done properly, first time, it's as simple as that

1)how do you know what properly is?
2) it is not the first time

You are basing your ideas of what we are doing for the next 100 years, on what people are doing yesterdays with today's limited technology.

I'm sitting in a hospital bed this morning, writting this on my phone. NBN ain't going to improve either of those outcomes.

As Ausrock says, some people need it, some people just want it. I'm strange (yes, you have been telling me for years), I'm in the former group, but I don't want it. My needs have changed dramatically in the last couple of years in a more greatly mobile world.

[Barrykgerdes]

Originally Posted by tlgerdes

1)
I'm sitting in a hospital bed this morning, writting this on my phone. NBN ain't going to improve either of those outcomes.

Hi Trevor
Don't waste too much time in a hospital bed. I have things for you to do

Barry

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by Barrykgerdes

Hi Trevor
Don't waste too much time in a hospital bed. I have things for you to do

Barry

All good, should be out by lunch.

[Barrykgerdes]

I wonder how many of the internet users waiting for door to door NBN who have signed the petition don't have a fixed phone line and only use Iphones or Ipads (or eqivalent). These people won't benefit much from the expensive part of the roll out.

Further, if you have dropped your land line service to base all your phone service on mobiles I am sure you will be charged an exorbitant fee to reconnect.

I don't expect wireless services to be much better than DSL because of lack of bandwidth in the RF spectrum even when we get "5G" + services that have much shorter ranges

Barry

[multiweb (Marc)]

Obviously people are getting pretty emotional when it comes to the NBN. There is heaps of literature about pros/cons, costs, how it will be paid. The people who want it vs. people who don't need it. TBH the election was passed with a mandate. The majority applies. No petition is going to influence that. It's a minority. Right or wrong you guys can argue till the cows come home. No point getting agro about it. Go back under the stars and have a deep breath. Life goes on.

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by Barrykgerdes

Hi Trevor
Don't waste too much time in a hospital bed. I have things for you to do

Barry

All good, should be out by lunch.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

TBH the election was passed with a mandate. The majority applies.

Can't agree with that Well over half of the electorate didn't vote for the Liberal or National party, so the two of them combined don't have a mandate to legislate at their whim, just rather they simply have enough seats together to form a government, the parliament as a whole now legislates on the basis of weighing up competing ideas and concerns given they were all elected by portions of Australia. So, a petition may well be a useful component of that no matter how small by affecting minor parties for example.

The Labor party was elected on a clear platform to introduce a price on carbon after the 2007 and even the 2010 election too but the Coalition (and Greens) continually blocked its proposed legislation and then with the help of the conservative media the coalition successfully ran a massive overblown baseless scare campaign on what became known as the Carbon Tax, a cost of living neutral arangement. The saddest thing is this campaign has resulted in many people doubting even the need for what is probably much more important legislation by telling them BS and rubbing shoulders with rubbish science for their own political gain.

So petition away, no matter how futile it may seem

Mike

[JohnH]

Originally Posted by gary

Hi John,

Thanks for the post.etc...

Of course the the backbone links are faster than the local links. On paper. Those links are shared though and the performance in real world use use does not match the theoretical capacity because it is either saturated or throttled to prioritise commercial traffic. In practice this means those links are the bottleneck.
I routinely have to access servers in the USA, China, India and find those slow compared to access in Sydney even Perth is poor, a faster last mile will not help this. Most client companies I work with cannot rely on this and have to buy MPLS links to get stable, reliable performance over long distances.

Gary,

My point is that this is NOT a choice between fast internet and nothing it is a choice of fast soon or faster later. FTTN is fast FTTP is faster, both have the same backbone. FTTN deployment does not prevent those who want the extra speed now paying to get it. Schools, Hospitals, government offices and most businesses would get FTTP most households probably would not. Once the services are there to justify the cost the local links for domestic use these could be installed by the ISP/Telcos the end user pays for the link via line rental fee as part of your plan, now you get the capacity you need when you need it not via a compulsory tax funded AU$2500 charge now.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Whatever floats your boat Mike Seriously mate, go out and do some imaging. Relax.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Whatever floats your boat Mike Seriously mate, seriously go out and do some imaging. Relax.

One could say take some of your own medicine Marc, you post much more than I do

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

One could say take some of your own medicine Marc, you post much more than I do

I got plenty of dark skies, check the deep space forums.

[Paul Haese]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Can't agree with that Well over half of the electorate didn't vote for the Liberal or National party, so the two of them combined don't have a mandate to legislate at their whim, just rather they simply have enough seats together to form a government, the parliament as a whole now legislates on the basis of weighing up competing ideas and concerns given they were all elected by portions of Australia. So, a petition may well be a useful component of that no matter how small by affecting minor parties for example.

The Labor party was elected on a clear platform to introduce a price on carbon after the 2007 and even the 2010 election too but the Coalition (and Greens) continually blocked its proposed legislation and then with the help of the conservative media the coalition successfully ran a massive overblown baseless scare campaign on what became known as the Carbon Tax, a cost of living neutral arangement. The saddest thing is this campaign has resulted in many people doubting even the need for what is probably much more important legislation by telling them BS and rubbing shoulders with rubbish science for their own political gain.

So petition away, no matter how futile it may seem

Mike

Actually that is bollocks. Labour only got 43.4 percent of the vote and the libs got 36.7 percent of the primary vote. No one has had a mandate under your terms of logic here. The declaration if a mandate by the libs is equally as valid in both instances.

Australians have been convinced that having a super fast Internet is better than one that is faster than the current one. We don't need to have super fast at home. We need fast. Businesses need super fast but even video conferencing will still be very good at 26mbits. We don't have enough money to go around at present. Our massive debt is testament to that. You have to have a scaled back version of very fast Internet. Cost benefit approach. Not want we want and can't afford approach.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

.....baseless scare campaign on what became known as the Carbon Tax, a cost of living neutral arangement.....
Mike

I was going to say nothing here ( my thoughts on infrastructure priorities are posted elsewhere ) ...but..

Steuth!....

...even the sharks wouldn't swallow that one. My electricity bills went decidedly northbound ( I won't mention refrigerant gas prices ) , with zippo compensation for the impost.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

Actually that is bollocks. Labour only got 43.4 percent of the vote and the libs got 36.7 percent of the primary vote. No one has had a mandate under your terms of logic here. The declaration if a mandate by the libs is equally as valid in both instances.

Hello Paulie how are you? I think you got that mixed up

So we disagree?...what's new

[AndrewJ]

Gday Gary

In the mid eighties, i was a project engineer on the construction of the first LNG train in Karratha.
We used a Compaq PC that ran at about 6MHz with a 100MB hard drive
and tape backup.
The Novelle networking system used to link about 6 PCs ran inside the 640k of memory.
That 100Mb had the operating system and all our engineering partslists and systems, as well as work orders and progress.
I cant imagine anything sitting in 100MB anymore due to the bloatware mechanisms used these days.

Andrew