Can't believe what I saw on the train tonight...

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by bojan

In my time (and where I am from) they would have been thrown out of train at the first opportunity, by other passengers.

In "my day" they would have been over my knee naked butt thrashed till it glowed and then thrown off the train...., without waiting for the next station.... gawd I miss the screamin....

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

I just decided to read this thread......to see what it was about.

I know what I'd do.....it's called ' self defense ' .....if that was me on the receiving end of those 2 girls and their unwarranted abuse / assaults...
Once they had ' touched ' me in anyway.....( remember...I've done nothing to them, except sit down opposite them )......they would wish they had never got on that train....and I'd be prepared to go to Court over it.

There would be countless witnesses to the event....and as someone here has mentioned....cameras to reveal who were the ' perpetrators '....and no doubt a lot of ' hand clapping and cheers ' as those 2 girls are laid on the floor ' out cold '

If I was on that train and saw what was happening to that older bloke....nothing would stop me from assisting him ...because .. just maybe...maybe .. he was too scared and ' needed ' someone to come to his aid.
At least,I would still feel I had ' done something ' to help a fellow human being.

If I got hurt in the process...then I'd be prepared to cop a bit myself in the defense of an innocent person.....AS THIS IS NOT ' VIOLENCE ' ...IT IS ' SELF PRESERVATION ' and ' SELF DEFENSE '.....a LAWFUL RIGHT in Society..

You ' do gooder's ' need to get a reality check ...because one day it might be you ....looking and hoping someone will come along side and ' stand with you "

You all know the saying ' Evil prevails .... because ' GOOD MEN ' stand back and DO NOTHING.

Flash......

[Clancy Lane (Phil)]

Thank you Col!

The only reason that there is loud aggressive behaviour from these people is because they think they can get away with it.

Thanks Tim for posting this and I understand how you must feel after witnessing this appalling incident.

My Army service taught me to be proficient in unarmed combat and many bullies have got a big surprise over the years.

BUT, surprisingly enough, the confidence my training gave me actually caused most of these bullies to think and stop BEFORE they got hurt.

I do agree that violence begets violence and I am appalled at the amount of violence my 4 y.o.son sees when watching cartoons on the kids channel.

Violence is not the answer but neither is passiveness.

We would not need the armed forces if the diplomatic corps did it's job!

But...with some people diplomacy does not work.

Thankfully, we live in a society were all can freely express an opinion.

Things go pearshaped when someone reckons their opinion is the only opinion.

Tolerence?

Cheers,

Phil

[Regulus (Trevor)]

This was reported in the online press tonight.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonig...cked-on-train/

[TrevorW]

You know if we had all stood back and let the bullies do what they want without standing up for our rights and the rights of others the world would be a far different world than it is today.

As a community we are obligated to protect each other from those who wish to abuse or destroy the virtues that make us decent human beings people who are able to work and live together as a community in harmony.

As someone said when diplomacy fails then alas violence is often our only option left to protect our rights.

The sad part is that no one else came to his assistance, idly standing by and allowing the degradation of another for the most inane reason.

This is why the get away with what they do.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by rat156

So they shouldn't get a Defence at all??
Again, the opinions in this thread are worse than the incident.

They will get a defence, paid for by the hard working people they abuse no doubt.

People expressing their opinions on how to protect their, and other peoples safety is worse than a brazen assault occasioning harm?? My opinion is that you, Stuart, are delusional, or just a troll.

[Hagar (Doug)]

I have just read this huge thread and to say the least I am disappointed with some of the comments posted.

Firstly, these are not kids, with comments like I will kill you, this is intent.
Secondly, puting their feet up on a seat where people hope to sit. And lastly throwing drinks over someone who makes a reasonable request. Next time it may be battery acid.

How many times do we see this sort of thing on the news and how many of these idiots get away with it. Time we all started sticking up for each other and started treating these poor excuses for human beings with the contempt they deserve.

The poor gent in this incident felt he couldn't retaliate because they were just kids but to hell with that idea. There age may say they are kids but their behavior indicates they are dangerous.

In my case I would have hit them both. This pandering bull**** has to stop.

[Clancy Lane (Phil)]

Thank you Lee!

I had forgotten about that particular behaviour and it seems to explain a lot of things.

The desire for peaceful human interaction is a luxury afforded to Australia...at the present.

But......if we allow loud and aggressive people to dictate their opinions/actions then we deserve the loss of the freedom to live in safety.

Democracy demands that to change something, the silent majority must speak out.

Stuart....after reading your previous posts I have formed an opinion that you are A TROLL!

Actually, your response has created a vibe that would not be there but for the negativity.

Viva La democracy!

Cheers,

Sgt PJ Sheehan (ret)
1 RAR
2 RTB

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

Originally Posted by rat156

So what was your post if not an opinion? If it is a statement of fact then you HAVE physically ejected someone from a train (presumably whilst it was not moving), is this not violence?

How can my questioning of this implied action be "over the top"?

One one hand you are condemning violence by stating that you would have acted to throw them off the train, by doing so you advocate the same violence you condemn. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of your, and other's, posts.

Only a couple of posts later than yours is the one advocating a "backhander" in agreement with your opinion. Can you not see that your expression of your "fact" has, in some way, incited a call to act violently?

Stuart

Stuart (rat156 ).......OK...I'll just ' stand back ' and watch you get assaulted and let you cop some ' horrific ' injuries.
Gee....poor old Stuart...we can't help him ... because he sees it as ' violence begetting violence.

What a tragedy...as Stuart is loaded into the Ambulance...beaten to a pulp....( if only we could have ' helped ' him )....anyway.....back to reading the Newspaper....!!

Flash......

[RobF (Rob)]

Being involved in drugs of abuse testing for a living, I'd be a lot more cautious dealing with such eratic behaviour in public. The stats are there to show a surprisingly high proportion of dangerous drivers for example are under the influence of drugs (not including alcohol). If a weapon became involved things could rapidly get out of control.


Just in case this post upsets anyone any more, I think PCs and Microsoft software are superior to Apple too BTW.

[Octane (Humayun)]

Rob, get out and never post again.

H

[apaulo (Paul)]

The only reason why these girls get away with this Behaviour is because nobody stands up to them. If a group of people stood up and defended this guy the result would of been different.
I totally agree with Hagar and 2stoke and I think people like rat123 would of simply stuck his head in the newspaper and do nothing.
Man up rat123 and grow some.
Apaulo.

[RobF (Rob)]

Originally Posted by Octane

Rob, get out and never post again.

H

5 years of being well behaved and suddenly I turn Troll

[Octane (Humayun)]

Successful troll is successful!

H

[RickS (Rick)]

Originally Posted by RobF

5 years of being well behaved and suddenly I turn Troll

You play the long game, Rob!

[norm]

Very interesting comments by all

I'm giving this another 15 posts before its locked


Norm

Someone posted that the victims faced was shown, but the perpetrators were pixelated.......this pretty somes it all up.... Our priorities are skewed.

[Clancy Lane (Phil)]

The meek shall inherit the earth; (After we've finished with it!)

[Octane (Humayun)]

What's that, norm? 15 more pages? I'm up for that.

H

[marki]

Lets face it folks the human species is de-evolving back into red bottomed apes and we can expect to see many such screeching displays and hurling of excrement by the left overs crawling out of the now severely depleted gene pool. If we act swiftly by sterilizing these girls we can make sure they never add to the demise of our species. Forced sterilization and public whippings are the way to go in the future IMHO .

Mark

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by marki

If we act swiftly by sterilizing these girls we can make sure they never add to the demise of our species.

We're one generation too late. The parents should have been taken care of.