Significant Home Improvement Of The Family Unit or Not? - Page 3

AstroGuy · #41 13-03-2011, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnG

I know a nice man in a white coat who love to talk computers with you.............

Tell him to get in line.

Regards...

OICURMT · #42 13-03-2011, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by adman

100 years ago was 1911....

(not to mention television)

No TV in 1911... 1st broadcast was in the 20's (though the 1st demonstration was in 1911)...

AstroGuy · #43 13-03-2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Draconis

There is no evidence as to what the function of Stonehenge was, if there was a function at all. It might have just been a very fancy garden centrepiece for all we know..

From what research has been done, they have determined it's some form of Astronomical calendar.

Regards...

OICURMT · #44 13-03-2011, 01:30 AM

One of the most significant inventions that has improved the "Family Unit" is the Airplane.

The ability to get on a place and visit relatives all over the world has dramatically improved "keeping in touch".

The internet is also a winner here, with Video chatting now becoming a major part of my life as I Skype home to my parents back in the USA.

OIC!

Draconis (Mick) · #45 13-03-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroGuy

From what research has been done, they have determined it's some form of Astronomical calendar.

Regards...

Not true, if you would care to do even a basic amount of your own research you would find that it is not even clear who built Stonehenge let alone why they built it.

AstroGuy · #46 13-03-2011, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rmcconachy

It depends on how you define the word "computer". As I alluded to above, Charles Babbage built the first known programmable calculating machines in the early/mid 1800s. All known calculating devices predating them were fixed function (including slide rules). Electronic computers came much later. Have a look at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer> for a reasonable summary of the computer's history.

All computers work on electricity. Even the basic hydrogen atom is a binary quantum computer made from and powered on electricity. As far as fixed function, all computers are "fixed function". Even silicon computers have limited quantities of binary combinations. Only Quantum Computers are pure metaphysical In their design and function, and therefore have no limited function, at least not in your lifetime.

Regards...

AstroGuy · #47 13-03-2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Draconis

Not true, if you would care to do even a basic amount of your own research you would find that it is not even clear who built Stonehenge let alone why they built it.

mmmmmm.......I don't know. I gues it could have been built for a different reason, even if it just happens to compute some astronomical data. It could be a coincidence. Point taken. Or then again it could have more than one function?

Regards...

marki · #48 13-03-2011, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroGuy

All computers work on electricity. Even the basic hydrogen atom is a binary quantum computer made from and powered on electricity. As far as fixed function, all computers are "fixed function". Even silicon computers have limited quantities of binary combinations. Only Quantum Computers are pure metaphysical In their design and function, and therefore have no limited function, at least not in your lifetime.

Regards...

Javamundo?????

AstroGuy · #49 13-03-2011, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Draconis

Not true, if you would care to do even a basic amount of your own research you would find that it is not even clear who built Stonehenge let alone why they built it.

It definitely computes astronomical data. I know that much. Whether it was specifically built to do so....can't be sure.

Regards...

Draconis (Mick) · #50 13-03-2011, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroGuy

It definitely computes astronomical data. I know that much. Whether it was specifically built to do so....can't be sure.

Regards...

How do you know? Its a pile of rocks.

rmcconachy · #51 13-03-2011, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroGuy

All computers work on electricity. Even the basic hydrogen atom is a binary quantum computer...

Have it your way Eugenio, I can make no productive reply to that.

BTW, regarding that "Ice [that] used to come from the mountains on horse driven carts to the towns", try putting "Victorian Ice Works" or "Sydney Ice Co" into Google and looking at a couple of the links that come up. By the mid 19th century bulk ice was sometimes made in refrigerators (bigger versions of the ones that you wave away as being the same as iceboxes) for sale to people who wanted it. Just as well for the horses who got to avoid some of the mountains.

Have fun and clear skies.

AstroGuy · #52 13-03-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OICURMT

One of the most significant inventions that has improved the "Family Unit" is the Airplane.

The ability to get on a place and visit relatives all over the world has dramatically improved "keeping in touch".

The internet is also a winner here, with Video chatting now becoming a major part of my life as I Skype home to my parents back in the USA.

OIC!

Yeah but try fitting a plane into your house!

Sorry maybe you did not get my meaning. I am only talking about the household.

Regards...

AstroGuy · #53 13-03-2011, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rmcconachy

Have it your way Eugenio, I can make no productive reply to that.

BTW, regarding that "Ice [that] used to come from the mountains on horse driven carts to the towns", try putting "Victorian Ice Works" or "Sydney Ice Co" into Google and looking at a couple of the links that come up. By the mid 19th century bulk ice was sometimes made in refrigerators (bigger versions of the ones that you wave away as being the same as iceboxes) for sale to people who wanted it. Just as well for the horses who got to avoid some of the mountains.

Have fun and clear skies.

Hi rmcconachy,

It's not my fault!

It's just the way life works, everything is electrical, even the most basic atom works on electricity. Without electricity it would not function

Regards...

AstroGuy · #54 13-03-2011, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Draconis

How do you know? Its a pile of rocks.

Hardly a pile. It has geometric structure and form.

Draconis (Mick) · #55 13-03-2011, 02:36 AM

Eugenio,

What has been invented since 1911? Blatant googling here but seems to be more research than you have put in.

How about these inventions, all of which i believe are quite indispensible now and part of the ''household'' and I challenge you to say you havent used most of these at some point.

In order of appearance since 1911..

the bra, the modern zipper, the car radio, nylon, instant freeze dried coffee, ballpoint pen, spray cans, Synthetic rubber, microwave oven, transistor, tuppaware, frisbee, velcro, cake mix, credit card, superglue, barcodes, oral contraceptive, optic fibre, liquid paper, microchip, audio cassette, compact disk, calculator, the ATM, post it notes, viagra and i'm sure many many more

Draconis (Mick) · #56 13-03-2011, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroGuy

Hardly a pile. It has geometric structure and form.

So? What does that prove? Is it useful today? Is anybody apart from workshy hippys using it in this day and age? Is there a technical manual inscribed somewhere on it?

Perhaps it was of use at some point but today its a pretty collection of intruguing shaped rocks unless you know one of the original builders of the complex?

AstroGuy · #57 13-03-2011, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rmcconachy

Personally, I'll take the drug cabinet as the biggest difference. Computers are great tools but antibiotics have saved a huge number of lives. The amount of effort (money and time) invested in computing research as a share of the total amount of research and development across all areas is actually very small. Computers are important tools, crucial for some things, but I disagree that they are "...the achievement of man in 100 years." You've been given several other examples but you've waved them off because something sort of similar but often not functionally equivalent existed a century ago. If you want to play that game then scratch the computer too since slide rules date from the 17th century and they are kinda, sorta, almost, about the same and my great grandfather had one in his house a century ago. He didn't know how to use it - and I cannot remember how to any more either - but he had one! I guess that means we've gone nowhere during the last one hundred years.

We are talking about the household. The computer is the biggest achievement of man that we have in the household.

"The amount of effort (money and time) invested in computing research as a share of the total amount of research and development across all areas is actually very small."

Yeah, so why are we giving billions of tax dollars to the military so they can develop this stuff? I think a little more than a thin slice of resources etc.. goes into that.

Do you think that because an advanced computer gets designed and built the public is the first to have it?

We are currently operating on technology the military had decades before.

Do you think Intel creates CPU's etc... so they can be fed to the public direct?

They go to military first, then when military has something better, we get the old technology. It's the only way they can stay ahead of the public.
I'm talking technology not secondhand CPU's etc...

So I think if you really do the math, a very large slice of your tax dollars go to that, where do you think government funding comes from, your tax dollars.

You talk about anti-biotics, people were taking anti-biotics before they were discovered. How many people ate mouldy bread? We already had those things.

You talk talk about the 17th century, I'm only talking about 100 years ago.

Anyway I'm drifting from the subject. Even though your points are valid from your perspective, It's not what I originally posted about.

Please don't think I'm trying to drive you all crazy

, I'm not. It's easy to see what marvelous things have occurred in the world, I'm just talking about the household!

Regards...

AstroGuy · #58 13-03-2011, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Draconis

Eugenio,

What has been invented since 1911? Blatant googling here but seems to be more research than you have put in.

How about these inventions, all of which i believe are quite indispensible now and part of the ''household'' and I challenge you to say you havent used most of these at some point.

In order of appearance since 1911..

the bra, the modern zipper, the car radio, nylon, instant freeze dried coffee, ballpoint pen, spray cans, Synthetic rubber, microwave oven, transistor, tuppaware, frisbee, velcro, cake mix, credit card, superglue, barcodes, oral contraceptive, optic fibre, liquid paper, microchip, audio cassette, compact disk, calculator, the ATM, post it notes, viagra and i'm sure many many more

Hi Draconis,

You are still missing the point. The households I'm asking you to compare have to be of the same caliber. Starting with the one from 1911 to the present. Who has an ATM in their household?

As for microchip etc.. it's all computer. Credit Card is just a piece of plastic for shopping, they had stuff back then you could use to buy stuff on credit with. Most all you mention they had something back then that peformed the exact same function, there is nothing new. Viagra for instance they also had sexual stimulants back then along with almost all you mention.

I do understand what you are saying though.

but still....

Function = Same, only difference is computer.

Regards...

MrB (Simon) · #59 13-03-2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AstroGuy

Most all you mention they had something back then that peformed the exact same function, there is nothing new.

Function = Same, only difference is computer.

What do HOUSEHOLD computers get used for 99%(or whatever) of the time?
Communication.

There were obviously other forms of communication in 1911, phone, telegram, mail, newspaper, there is nothing new.

The other 1% (or whatever) of the time... actually calculating.
Sliderule, there is nothing new.

Function = Same, only difference is nothing.

AstroGuy · #60 13-03-2011, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MrB

What do HOUSEHOLD computers get used for 99%(or whatever) of the time?
Communication.

There were obviously other forms of communication in 1911, phone, telegram, mail, newspaper, there is nothing new.

The other 1% (or whatever) of the time... actually calculating.
Sliderule, there is nothing new.

Function = Same, only difference is nothing.

Finally someone who understands!

THANK YOU!

so if Function = same, only difference is nothing.

Why did we have to go through all the pain and suffering just to have the same?

The "computer" is nothing but an illusionary tool we were made to pay with life and suffering, all for the illusion that we were made to think we needed one in our households.

Regards...