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28-01-2006, 12:24 PM
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spamologist
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: directly above the centre of earth
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Ok - repellant CAN be a good thing in Astronmy. So can food - lighten up.
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28-01-2006, 12:30 PM
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Who knows
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Blackwood South Australia
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John I don't have a problem with that either, but I fail to see how that is different from starting a thread called the Official spam thread for Lostock. That is why the rebellion the other night. I think the stuff is very funny you put up. I just want consistency. And; as I have said, right from the beginning when we drew up the guidlines we always intended that spam would be confined to the General Chat area. Not to be in the more serious forums.
Matt, I don't think that this is over the top. It is the inconsistant rules that are over the top. I have many examples of where something is left in and something deleted. That I believe is the problem.
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28-01-2006, 12:32 PM
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spamologist
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: directly above the centre of earth
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Surely deletion is a LAST resort for moderators? The rebellion has happened because mods were using deletion with no attempt at moderation. In fact a bit of counter humour would have dampened things down right away!
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28-01-2006, 12:36 PM
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6000 post club member
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Launceston, Australia
Posts: 6,570
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Rumples...
We're all very aware you don't see it as over the top!
(bit of humour there).
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28-01-2006, 12:41 PM
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~Dust bunny breeder~
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The town of campbells
Posts: 12,359
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conspiracies? bah!
we just need to get definitions down pat. anyhow i missed the initial problem so i dont really have an oppinion on whos right and whos wrong, and it would be wrong of me to form one.
I came here because AO was pretty much dead and a new livelier community was being formed by people interested in "astronomy". what this place has evolved into is truely amazing. great people, interesting topics on all subjects, lots of laughs, and a great depth of knowledge. who could ask for more.....
anyhow, there have been a few times where i have thought that if i was mike i'd have thrown in the towel as being a job too hard. hats off to him for keeping the place going
chill out peeps
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28-01-2006, 12:42 PM
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Planet photographer
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Bundaberg
Posts: 8,819
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Yeah Paul, I understand totally, I've been reading it all & taking it in...silently until now. I can see no difference between starting up a lostock spam thread & a sponge-bob image really.
I've been discussing the whole thing with certain members in emails just like others here.
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28-01-2006, 01:24 PM
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Registered User
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: S.A.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by asimov
I can see no difference between starting up a lostock spam thread & a sponge-bob image really.
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Spongebob is cool!!!
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28-01-2006, 01:27 PM
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Who knows
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Blackwood South Australia
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Yes very cool, but not relevant to astronomy. Keep em coming John, I love da sponge bob
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28-01-2006, 01:39 PM
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Astrolounge
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: monbulk-vic
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l'm not bothered by spam in general chat, l'm more concerned about how some threads run of topic and become a general chat fest between 2 or 3 people and nothing is done or said.
what l want to know and l'm sure others do too is why is spam not being tolerated in general chat? can a moderator please explain this to me?
it's not like every man and his dog is going to jump on a spam thread, like everything else it will run it's course as does every other thread, if it is specified in general chat it will stay there and those that do not want to read it will not.
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28-01-2006, 08:00 PM
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aiming for 2nd Halley's
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,959
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I'm saddened by much of what I read here. This forum has been breath of fresh air for me breathing life into a hobby dormat for more than 15 years and largely killed off my bitter divisions of astro-societies - please don't let this be the fate of IIS. The key thing must surely be "tolerance". Disagreement and dissent and discussion are fine and healthy, but why must people aggressively force their stance with degrading language such as "mindless drivel" accompanied by equally charming "grow up". One person's mindless drivel is another's passion, and the aggressive usage of terms such as "grow up" demonstrate a lack of self control, respect for others and maturity in itself.
Perhaps there could be a call by Mike and Moderators for constructive suggestions as to the format, definition and content of General Chat follwoed by a poll from the members. Sure it's a private web-site, but there can't be any harm in taking a collective and inclusive view.
cheers,
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28-01-2006, 08:07 PM
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Registered User
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne Vic
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Isn't general chat just that, general chat.Regards cristian
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28-01-2006, 08:10 PM
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Planet photographer
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Bundaberg
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I totally agree with all that you say here Robert.
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28-01-2006, 09:05 PM
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Registered User
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sale, VIC
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MMM spam is good! I like to spam.
spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam.
Some like ham, some like clam, I only like spam.
spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam.
I'll spamarate while you moderate. I spam therefore I am.
spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam.
Here's some more spam. Becuse I like it so much. Want more?
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The above drivel "mindless" enough, Robert? Should I "grow up" or keep being a constant source of annoyance? There is a limit to everything, including people's tolerance for nonsense...
OTOH, I also sympathise the genuine considerate sentiments expressed in your post. This place has been running as smooth as a fine-tuned ebony-star-laminated teflon-padded Dobsonian for over a year. Maybe there is a critical mass around the 650-something mark where the forum's current model starts to break down and becomes non-functional. Anyone looking to do a PhD in sociology?? This would make a good topic!
A split into more distinct subforums might work, i.e., iceinspace->chitchat, iceinspace->equipment, etc, but no iceinspace->all. Of course you'd need more moderators..
Last edited by janoskiss; 28-01-2006 at 09:34 PM.
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28-01-2006, 09:35 PM
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Planet photographer
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Bundaberg
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LOL!! Buzz off, you...you.....SPAMMER!! (he-he!!)
All good points Steve.
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28-01-2006, 09:39 PM
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Astrolounge
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: monbulk-vic
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firstly let me say that l like this site and thoroughly enjoy the comments and general input that everyone contributes whether that be in general chat whatever the topic as well as the dedicated astronomy topics.
l also think Mike and the moderators on the whole do a pretty good job.
however, the terms (privately owned site) and (this is not a democracy) as quoted by those in charge, to me seems odd, sure Mike started the site and then the forum but he also invited anyone that wanted to, to become a part of it and l am sure was very happy as it started to grow into what it is today.
at a certain point and maybe this is it you cannot make arbitrary rules that will suit everyone because you have too many differing views and personalities and maybe some discussion or majority rules points have to be adopted.
no group this big whether it be private, political or otherwise can survive without change and l am sure that in the beginning Mike never thought it would get this big and therefore never planned specifically for this type of outbreak (l may be wrong).
Mike maybe the leader of this site but the members are the site and somewhere l am sure there is a compromise with those that take issue with the way it is run.
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28-01-2006, 09:57 PM
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Dazzled by the Cosmos.
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 11,811
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The site was started and is owned by Mike.
Mike has entrusted the moderators with managing the site.
Like you and I, Mike and the moderators, are not perfect.
Like you and I, they make mistakes.
Why do I make mistakes?
Through not understanding you, ego, stupidity, ignorance, pride, inexperience, emotional frailty, needing to be accepted, incorrect assumptions, fear of looking weak, partial knowledge, intolerance, thinking I know best, etc.
If I am rude to someone, I notice that they often reciprocate - twice as hard; the conflict escalates. People take sides. Focusing only on the differences, what we share in common evaporates and we end up divided.
If I am “right” and “win”, why do I feel so hollow? Is it because winning wasn’t worth the hurt I may have caused someone, just to satisfy my pride? Is my fragile pride that important?
When I am wrong, I sometimes have the courage to admit it; at least to myself. When I am brave enough to admit it to others, I am frequently surprised at how accepting they are. It is okay to be wrong; to have misunderstood someone. It is okay for someone to misunderstand me and in truth, are we not equally responsible for that shared misunderstanding?
To believe otherwise suggests I am a victim; what happened to me was wholly wrong and completely undeserved. The universe must have it in for me. Why won’t they agree with me? Surely they can see that they are wrong? If I can just raise one more point, then unquestionably the jigsaw will be complete and everyone will see how I have been misunderstood.
Probably, at times, Mike and the Moderators may have “wronged” IIS members.
Probably, at times, IIS members may have “wronged” Mike and the Moderators.
Probably wasn’t intentional.
Likely they didn’t even know they had done so.
It only hurts when it gets personal.
I am 100% sure it is not intended.
By either side.
We get backed into a corner and say stuff.
Hopefully, we’ll grow and learn.
Leave it all behind.
Just like the fights and name calling of our school boy years.
Important at the time.
Faded memories now.
Cheers
Dennis
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30-01-2006, 09:20 AM
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aiming for 2nd Halley's
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Australia
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Dennis, your insight and ability to articulate it is nothing short of brilliant! Could not have been put better.
cheers,
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30-01-2006, 10:11 AM
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lots of eyes on you!
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Launceston Tasmania
Posts: 7,381
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spot on dennis, is this thread still going - hopefully slowing down, any outstanding issues being looked at and mike will get back to us re clarification etc
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meantime - an advertisement!!! - mods please kill if necessary
i have decided to ignore it now and get on with astronomy!
all newbies that read this post, please redirect to http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ead.php?t=7264
you can come and argue with me how easy or hard it was to spot your first planetary nebulae. argue with me, what colour you think it may be? there is a photo there from beren which shows the colour. do your hardest and argue with me how easy it was to split the beautiful double star Rigel. Who was able to do it with the smallest scope or largest eyepiece (ie smallest mag) and finally, count those small galaxies currently rising in the east and we will argue how many you have counted.
When i mean argue, i am being flippant, these targets are set for the newer guys to have some success with.
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