Miscommunication on IIS - Page 3

DavidTrap (David) · #41 27-09-2010, 09:14 AM

To be labelled "envious" or told that you are "picking on" someone when you have tried to offer what you believe to be sound advice is "hurtful" too.

Failing to respond to advice or even engage in dialogue is essentially disrespectful. I don't profess to know everything, but I did try to relate someone's planned purchase to my own experience and suggest why I thought they should reconsider.

Life (or a forum) is like a sewer - what you get out of it depends on what you put into it.

DT

casstony · #42 27-09-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

and time will hopefully temper the discordant approach. .

I think that's the critical concept for that thread - Bart is (perhaps) guilty of being young, brash, lacking in wisdom, contemptuous of authority - fairly typical for the teenage years(I was one once). Teenagers require patience and subtle guidance from their elders, and to feel included during the rocky formative years.

I had hoped to keep names out of this thread, but if people feel the need to get into specifics it might be more productive to express how a post made you feel (to promote understanding) rather than repeating the tit-for-tat.

The subject of this thread has general relevance to any on-line forum and wasn't intended to relate specifically to the thread mentioned above.

marc4darkskies (Marcus) · #43 27-09-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidTrap

... Life (or a forum) is like a sewer - what you get out of it depends on what you put into it.

Nah!! Definitely think it's more like a box of chocolates!!!

And BTW, Cadbury is definitely better than Nestle!! Isn't it?!

Funny you know, I could never be truly insulted by a 15 yo!! I can remember though that it's very easy for a 15 yo to be insulted by us "mature" folk! Respect is another matter for sure, and the older you are the less excuse you have for not showing it.

Miscommunication is not the issue IMO. Misunderstanding is what happens and that can only be mitigated by listening, respect and wisdom. Thankfully all these things should improve with age ... right?!!

Cheers, Marcus

GTB_an_Owl (Geoff) · #44 27-09-2010, 11:08 AM

i have been dealing with a council matter (read dispute here) for over 2 years now.

i soon learnt to abide by the following procedure

1 be very concise in the letter YOU write - read it 3 times before you send it
2 read the letter of reply
3 put it in a safe that has a 24 hour timer on it
4 go to the sound proof room and yell and swear as much as you like
5 read the letter again the next day when the timer expires
6 read each line over and over again until you think you know what is being said
7 read BETWEEN the lines
8 read what they haven't said in the letter

i have learnt more from what council haven't said, than from what they have

i have also learnt that you can say a lot, and still say nothing

geoff

AstralTraveller (David) · #45 27-09-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GTB_an_Owl

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i have learnt more from what council haven't said, than from what they have

i have also learnt that you can say a lot, and still say nothing

geoff

Congratulations!! You can now stand for parliment.

GTB_an_Owl (Geoff) · #46 27-09-2010, 01:17 PM

David! - i can tell you

anyone that works for Gosford City Council that i have dealt with - is aptly suited for that role

geoff

Hypnotist (Bartholomew) · #47 28-09-2010, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

I was going to stay out of this, but this goes a little far. Your post started off by putting a fair few people on tender hooks. If you make a general claim that your brand of scope is better than someone else's brand of scope, then owners of that other brand are going to ask what gives you, with your level of inexperience, the right to claim it. A reference to some YouTube pages isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

A fair few people here, including myself Bart, gave you nothing more than their considered advice which they thought was relevant to your situation - right up to the point that you shot them down by chosing to insult them - dismissing their advice as nothing more than the result of "envy". You also stated that everyone else's advice was "useless". To add injury to insult you proceeded to argue on relevant semantics concerning "envy" and "jealousy". "Miscommunication" indeed. I mean, what the...? I'm not sure how you might think people were going to react to all this. An apology from you at that point would probably have gone a long way to repairing the situation. No-one had been anything other than courteous towards you up until then.

Well those YouTube pages proved to be a great source in showing how easily an older man can pick up a C14! I heard from others who seemed convinced too, so you're somewhat on your own.

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

You claim to feel insulted - well, I'm afraid that so do those who were giving you some of their own thoughts - in an effort to help - whether they were all in support of your decision to go with what you have or not. You went on and on, without responding to anyone who you thought wasn't giving you what you wanted to hear, so many of us surmised that you were indeed a "troll" - someone who's main intent is to log onto forums and push their agenda and stir up trouble. A few of us are pretty sensitive to these people, and your pattern of non-response lead to that conclusion for many - me included.

Excuse me sir I actually responded to the people who were friendly and understanding to me! In the beginning I tried to ignore those who were aggressive towards me, but then I had to do something.

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

Go and have a long hard think about how people might react to all of this. It's a two way street. I don't care how old you are - manners matter, and especially when its you asking for the advice. You're old enough to realise what you've said. Plenty of people come on here and ask for, and get advice, and are grateful for it. You weren't, and here we are. You could yet be a very valuable asset to this forum, and quite frankly I hope so. You seem to have the passion for it, and time will hopefully temper the discordant approach. I personally wish you well and hope that you do great things with the new gear. All I can end with is that I hope you have a decent camera - it'd be a real shame if you didn't intend to plug it on the rear of the beast.

Firstly people reacted very kindly towards me in comparison to others (who might that be...?) who wanted to shred me to pieces with their comments: there are people who can give advice and there are some who can't!

Also I really hope I can become an asset to this forum, since I probably the only one here experimenting with a EdgeHD 1400 and a Nikon D40x!

Bart

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #48 28-09-2010, 06:36 AM

Any perceived "aggressiveness" from many was in response to your unbridled cockiness Bart, nothing more. I couldn't give a hoot normally. Not sure why you're trying to single me out, as a fair few others were of my opinion and language too. I can take it, so whatever... dude.

Scope advice was sound - it came from experience.

A D40 eh? Well, I'm one of the few that use mine for astrophotography. Coincidence, no?

bartman (Bart) · #49 28-09-2010, 06:51 AM

Bartholemew
otium sursum vir.
profundus spiritus.
rumex est in ordo
ego puto

"Funny you know, I could never be truly insulted by a 15 yo!! I can remember though that it's very easy for a 15 yo to be insulted by us "mature" folk! Respect is another matter for sure, and the older you are the less excuse you have for not showing it."

Soo true!!!!
Bartman ( not Bart

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Hypnotist (Bartholomew) · #50 28-09-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

Any perceived "aggressiveness" was in response to your unbridled cockiness Bart, nothing more. I couldn't give a hoot normally. Not sure why you're trying to single me out, as a fair few others were of my opinion and language too. Scope advice was sound - it came from experience.

A D40 eh? Well, I'm one of the few that use mine for astrophotography. Coincidence, no?

Chris,
I remember you having posted things on the D40(x)! Geez, I hope you could give me some useful tips on how to use it!

I have no idea how to use it!
Thanks and clear skies
Bart

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #51 28-09-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hypnotist

Chris,
I remember you having posted things on the D40(x)! Geez, I hope you could give me some useful tips on how to use it!

I have no idea how to use it!
Thanks and clear skies
Bart

No problems matey. When you're ready. It's a good astro camera, it just needs to be handled a little differently to the Canons, et al.