Conspiracy 9/11 In Plane Site - Page 3

iceman (Mike) · #41 06-01-2006, 02:28 PM

I forgot to watch the show, so I've just picked up bits and pieces from reading this thread.

I'm pretty much in the same boat as Phil and Dennis. I think that documentaries like this will show you what they want you to see, so they leave out many important facts which can spoil their arguments.

It's no different to the 'moan hoax' documentaries. And of course like this, there's counter-documentaries that disprove what they 'proved'.

I have no doubt that there's corruption in government, and in big business (I saw 1 part of "the corporation" last week), but a conspiracy the size of 9/11 is too far fetched for me to believe that it could be carried out with an unsuspecting public none the wiser.

There's many "topics" in this single thread (US govt, george bush, iraq, howard, oil, 9/11, etc), so remember to clarify your points and state which topic you're talking about when replying to someone.

mickoking · #42 06-01-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rumples riot

Oh BTW, anyone for Weapons of Mass Destruction. That says it all. Lying *******s got caught there, no one has done anything about that.

Weapons of mass destruction, lie of the century. believe me when I say this but if Iraq had any of these offending weapons they would have been found long long before 911-2001. Soviet missiles were found in Cuba using fairly basic pre- satellite technology. Nowadays as well as sophisticated reconnaissance aircraft with a variety of sensors operating in optical, Infrared and radar. there are also satellites, elite operatives on the ground and a variety of electronic gadgets to aquire the information and don't forget highly trained intellegence and Imagery analysists to crunch the numbers. Iraq never had MMD's and our so called leaders knew that.

Basically we were lied to and in a big way and I personally find that discusting. Yes who are the real terrorist's?

Chill baby

johnno · #43 07-01-2006, 01:46 AM

Hi All,

AS an Amateur radio operator for over 20 years,given the regulations we are governed by,I NEVER get involved in these type of discussions,even though I agree,and disagree,with a lot that has been said.
The one thing I cant quite understand,about ANY,Conspiracy,or coverup,is this.

To me, in most of these things,there has to be a LOT,of people involved.
If not,then how do you get it done?
How do you stop them from talking at a later stage in their life?,
For eg,death bed confessions,Disenchantement with Job, consience pangs,etc,ok If were talking high ranking polititians,forget consience pangs.

Surely,not all participents in a cover up,are 100% keen on the idea,and have to go along with it,for whatever reason,Job security,Threats,etc.
It would be reasonable to expect SOMEONE,SOMEDAY, closely involved would talk sooner,or later.

I am NOT saying these things dont happen,I trust Governments and Beaurocracy,about as much as I trust a Funnel Web Spider,and have no Illusions,as to what they are capable of.
In fact I would rather take my chances with the Spider.

BUT,my Question remains,just how can the Main participents,be absolutely sure,NO ONE will give them away?

Regards.
John

netwolf · #44 07-01-2006, 11:05 AM

Hmm it was my understanding that often Ex-Company folk do talk about these contaversies. However often they are ridiculed as being on the fringe or not ex-company at all. So even if someone does talk will we belive them. But a coverup of this magnitdude seems higly unlikely, but then again the best hiding place is in plane sight.

Regards

DRCORTEX (Lance) · #45 11-01-2006, 08:32 PM

See George, I told you it would just die down. The fools, don't reali.....you idiot George, I told you to turn that camera off!

Ah conspiracies - I sometimes think my marriage is one

What were George bushes last words before the world blew up? - "Now, whats this button do?"

Regards,

Neo

westsky · #46 11-01-2006, 10:37 PM

Been reading this thread with some interest, I have read all the web sites that links where shown for, and I would have to say this garbage ranks up there with the fake moon landings, I reacon there are people out there with no scruples what so ever who dream this BS up just to make money, Got two questions to those that think it may be true.
1. if it was a fabrication why did Osarma bin Lid say on video that he was responsilble?
what, was he just trying to big note himself?, even though it would mean becoming the most hated person on the planet?
2.Explain how a US (Texas) friend of mine had to go to NY and identify personal belongings from a member of his family (cousin) who had been a passenger on one of the flights that hit the TT?
are this people who made the doco saying that the US gov killed them all to just start a war. BS

cheers
David.

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #47 11-01-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by johnno

It would be reasonable to expect SOMEONE,SOMEDAY, closely involved would talk sooner,or later.

Perfect example: How long ago was Richard Nixon involved in Watergate?

Answer: He wasn't. The guy that planned it and carried it out came forward last year! He thought he should finally speak up. Nixons career and life were ruined, and he kept saying he was innocent. Did they listen . . No! Bit late now though. No one was fussed about his confession. The event was too old for most people to care.

So even if someone did talk about 9/11 and spill the beans in 40 years time . . a bit late!

wavelandscott (Scott) · #48 11-01-2006, 11:07 PM

Did not see the show...read all the posts to this one...felt compelled to add only that my cousin was working in the Pentagon at the time and my wife's cousin had an office in the Towers...neither were hurt

It was a horrible thing for all involved...I will never forget where I was at the time...Crows Nest at a pub following a business dinner...immediately everyone went home...my wife and kids had just arrived in Australia on Sept. 7th...I woke my wife and we set up all night watching in shock...I am troubled sitting here thinking about the crashes and the feelings that this thread has stirred in me...

While I am all up for a good "conspiracy" and I am seldom truly surprised by the rationalization and justification we humans can create to support our own particular point of view...I won't be adding any more or participating further in this particular thread...I find the "theory" that 9/11 was faked too much for even a jaded ex-pat like me...

rumples riot · #49 12-01-2006, 06:46 PM

Got to say, that having studied International politics, international law and the influence of the media at Uni I am very aware of the under handed activities of government organisations around the world. Much less the media's influence. I have no way of proving that Osama bin laden even exists as a person. Or indeed if the attack on the US was orchestrated by US officials or Bin laden. All I can say is US foreign policies and its agencies have frequently been involved in causing or contributing to the escalation of War. The vietnam war was a war by proxy between the US and Soviet Russia. Or what about the Oliver North Affair. Selling weapons to terrorists. Or Selling VX gas to Saddam Hussein while in conflict with the Iranians. Everything eventually comes out in the wash. Sooner or later the truth will find the way out.

For those who want to believe that even the US could not perpetrate this attrocity, I welcome your opinion but bear in mind this one thing. The Man who is running that country is there by way of an election result which was rigged. The Men who are by his side are making millions a day by way of financial interests in Iraq. When it comes to money and how a corrupt society can be led, I will not put anything past those that are profitting.

Do we really know what is going on, all we see is what we are told to see. That's what scares the crapper out of me!!!!!

fringe_dweller · #50 12-01-2006, 07:43 PM

i got a dvd copy of this rubbish today - as much as I dislike this neo-con administration and gwb, and me being a loony leftie as well - i find this laboured doco to be an outrageous insult to the people who were affected by this horrendous series of events - i remember clearly the sickening feeling of watching all those people die, and living thru the disgusting malaise and depression the western world has had to endure after these events - but I blame that miscreant piece of **** that is Osama Bin Laden - i hate his guts for turning the western world into a police state - poor little rich boy with a messiah complex - bah scum die
granted there is some strange details highlighted in the doco - ones i noted at the time btw - like how neatly the towers collapsed and the lack of plane wreckage at the pentagon - but i still dont believe a word of it.
those U.S. neo-con hawks are crazy - but not that crazy, no way
ps did you know there are rumours that Johny and his mates are going to try an introduce a U.S style 'Patriot Act' maybe in the middle of the year - after the massive indigestion from the IR bill dies down (they hope) - thanks Osama *&(&%$$#$^&*

rumples riot · #51 12-01-2006, 08:08 PM

Kearn, one thing you might be overlooking, the CIA trained Bin laden. They are full of nut cases, so to a large extent they are responsible for giving the funding and the training which created this event. Cause and effect mate. Let those that caused the event be made responsible.

The only Peace on earth to have a chance of recovery is if we all treat the earth as belonging to each and every one of us. Not the private domain for the western world to exploit the poor and the under educated. Notice how many companies around the world exploit the labour of developing countries. What about being more concerned who has nuclear programs. The hypocrites have 25000 nukes and hold that over everyone, yet no one else have them. Like they are the patron saints of restraint. Just wish there was an external threat that would make the whole world realise just how petty we really are.

Peace, just a dream.

Paul

fringe_dweller · #52 12-01-2006, 08:47 PM

Paul, it wouldnt be the first time one of their protege's turned around and bit them on the a*s - wasnt lee harvey oswald ex cia?
yes it does seem U.S. foriegn policy does consist of mainly of 'whats in it for us'
But I will be controversial here and say I think a lot of third world problems are borne of localised problems - things we dealt with a long time ago - localised deeply ingrained nepotism and corruption (not that whitey is free of corruption - far from it, but the level of it doesnt interfere with reasonably fair and egalitarian government taking place. secondly we seperated church and state a fair while ago - that has to be also achieved to live in a civilised society imo - these things have to chaange for a progressive state to exist
anyway how do mega-oil rich Saudi's have anything to do with the downtrodden of the world?

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #53 12-01-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fringey

wasnt lee harvey oswald ex cia?

and now declared innocent.
The Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court even admitted in an interview that Oswald was innocent. The Chief Justice almost said the words 'cover up', but he floundered & fumbled his words and then said "an innocent man was wronged".

The CIA was happy to send one of there own down the river!

norm · #54 12-01-2006, 09:11 PM

Wow - interesting topic. Didn't see the program, but from the threads, comments I'm in agreeance with Dennis and Rumples.

Any opinions/comments on the Japanese whaling atm ?

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #55 12-01-2006, 09:21 PM

Yeah, it sux!

Lee · #56 12-01-2006, 09:26 PM

I've seen websites about the pentagon/757 issues too....

1. I really doubt the US govt did this to its own civs
2. Something blew up a chunk of the pentagon - what?
3. Maybe it was a bomb delivered by terrorists as part of the 9/11 'operation'
4. What happened to the missing aircraft then?

Remember that the USAF scrambled fighter aircraft to shoot down if necessary aircraft threatening the capitol. Maybe this occurred, and rather than admit to this (which I feel would have needed to be done on the day, considering what had occurred) they have spun it to say the aircraft was crashed into the pentagon.

Hey - I watched a discovery channel program about the moon landings too, I went from someone who dismissed the conspiracy theory people offhand to one who really isn't sure what happened in the late 60's....

netwolf · #57 12-01-2006, 11:33 PM

Let him cast the first stone who is without sin himself. Self assesment is immeritive, none of us can lay claim to being perfect. We will all do whatever it takes to ensure the safety of our family, friends, neighbours, country, and property etc etc.. The abilty to think and chose allows us the oppertunity to good as well as ill. Given our priorites it may seem good for us or for those we care for, but it may not be good for everyone. For example, we chose to buy an EP's from a US company. Perhaps there is no ill in this and perhaps there is in that we affect our country's local buisness. The point is that we are all guilty of chosing in our own intrest. It is very rare to find individuals who for example will suffer for others and forgive them who make them suffer. Who will work for the good of others and not themselves. This is rare.

Thogu an EP or some other purchase are small things and like these other small things like weapons to protect those we love. Becuase of course we will not allow anyone to harm those we love. Of course we need more wealth even if it means we invest in companies who use cheaper labour overseas. Because we want more wealth for those we love to secure there future. It does not matter if somone we dont know loses there job. does it..

What is corruption, what is social responsibility, who do we love and who dont we love. what what what.. endles questions for many cloudy nights to ponder on. But we are all responsible for what happnes, even if it is by our inaction. Who will sacrafice themselves for others... who and then for the parnoid why?

It is easy to see the evil in others, though it is only a reflection of what we do not see in ourselves. In our choices. Chose wisely.

Regards
Netwolf.

PS: Nothing i have said or do will return the lost loved ones. And I hope nothing i said has caused hurt to anyones memory of loved ones. If so I ask forgiveness. May all our lost loved ones rest peacefully in the hand of the creator.

netwolf · #58 12-01-2006, 11:41 PM

Whaling.. oh yes.. Dumb impotent governments that can not protect those we are placed on this earth to protect.. I had the oppertunity earlier this year to go with my wife and friends on a whale/dolphin watching cuise at Nelsons Bay. And i can not belive that any man could harm such magnificent creatures.

Regards

CosMos (Rich) · #59 13-01-2006, 05:57 AM

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

DRCORTEX (Lance) · #60 13-01-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by plasmodium

I've seen websites about the pentagon/757 issues too....

Remember that the USAF scrambled fighter aircraft to shoot down if necessary aircraft threatening the capitol. Maybe this occurred, and rather than admit to this (which I feel would have needed to be done on the day, considering what had occurred) they have spun it to say the aircraft was crashed into the pentagon.

Yeah, but its' a little hard to hide a 757 crashing anywhere in that area of the U.S. - it isn't exactly the wilds of Alaska. If they shot the thing down by mistake, it would have caused a nice big fireball in the sky, and left wreckage all through Washington. Now, if it was hit by a FA/18 missile or ther like, and THEN crashed into Pentagon - the odds ?

Consipracy theories - nothing more. What was that excellent piece from the movie Contact - all things being equal, the simpliest explanation is the best ? - the simpliest explantion, is that it was hijacked, thedhijackers went for the Pentagon, and because they had a dodgey copy of MS Flight Sim 2000, only managed to take out part of the building.

Ciao

Lance

Lance