Large Scales & Chaotic Behaviour - Page 3

sjastro · #41 19-09-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigS

Hmm …

Very interesting ..

Cheers

The list surprisingly doesn't have the most famous Jesuit scientist of all, Georges Lemaître founder of the Big Bang Theory.

Steven

CraigS · #42 19-09-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sjastro

The list surprisingly doesn't have the most famous Jesuit scientist of all, Georges Lemaître founder of the Big Bang Theory.

Steven

I noticed that.
He made it onto the Pontifical Academy of Sciences list … whereas Einstein didn't !
One ponders on why not ?…

Bohr, Planck, Rutherford, Heisenberg, Schrodinger but no Einstein !!

CraigS · #43 19-09-2010, 01:38 PM

Way too outspoken, I guess …

Einstein

Hawking had better watch out .. he might get struck off, too.

Dawkins never made it to the starting gates, so it seems.

sjastro · #44 19-09-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigS

Way too outspoken, I guess …

Einstein:

Hawking had better watch out .. he might get struck off, too.

Dawkins never made it to the starting gates, so it seems.

What's more perplexing is Heisenberg being a member.
He worked on the Nazi's nucleur fission research program.

Steven

CraigS · #45 19-09-2010, 01:53 PM

They're no slouches in astro telescopes, either:

Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope

Quote:

The VATT's mirror is unusually 'fast', f/1
…
The unusual optical design and novel mirror fabrication techniques mean that both the primary and secondary mirrors are among the most exact surfaces ever made for a ground-based telescope.

Been at it for a long time, too.

avandonk · #46 19-09-2010, 01:53 PM

These blokes were incredible as they had the nads to say all that we have taught you so far is bool****! They did not have a hidden agenda.

Bert

CraigS · #47 19-09-2010, 02:05 PM

Errr which 'blokes' ?

These guys had/have their reasons ...

avandonk · #48 19-09-2010, 02:16 PM

Craig they were so called men of a mythical god. They told me a long time ago that it was all boolS_H_I_T. Have you ever wondered why all these places have been sold off due to lack of new members.

There were a minority who exploited young boys and a few girls sexually but if the Pope keeps stalling we all will get over this severe embarassment. It did not really happen just like it has happened for centuries. The bishops have a lot to answer for!

Bert

CraigS · #49 19-09-2010, 02:36 PM

Its certainly a melting pot of many differing views and principles.

The parallel-ling of Science and religion seems to complicate matters.

Undoing history has never been achieved.

Through the ages, some institutions seem to have paid some of their contributions to science. This goes mostly unrecognised. The Jesuits were sponsored. So too are the Pontifical Academics.

avandonk · #50 19-09-2010, 03:02 PM

No it is the religious twits who fear science. Craig I will stop now as there is no further point to this argument or discussion.

When an ignorant pope says science is fine as long as it does not upset the ignorant masses at any point in history he sounds like someone who will give up mas_turbation until he needs glasses!

Bert

CraigS · #51 19-09-2010, 03:27 PM

Bert;
OK .. I wasn't attempting argument. I see the church as a relic of the past. They still have huge followings. It is extremely difficult for them to move the masses they control towards the present day. Anything that comes out of their leaders' mouths will always sound bizarre to those of us who make the choice of moving toward, or who already live in, the future.

Undoing the trail of destruction that has been brought about through a long history of misinterpretations, misrepresentations, subjugation and abuse would seem to be beyond anyone's abilities. Some of it continues in modern day as well. All this said, I do believe that some recognise that the end may be near. Others continue to bolster the fortifications. Some are still attempting to destroy that which does not comply with their flavour of it all.

Humans will always interpret what their senses detect. We are all meaning-adding machines. Science attempts to keep us from deceiving ourselves. Scientists do not have to make others wrong and put down others, purely because of their beliefs. Decisions can be made on the basis of actions and wisdom.

Technology and the tools created by science, improve understanding. They are in their infancy. Hopefully over time, more will come to see these perspectives also. Realisation of this cannot be forced.

Cheers & Rgds.

avandonk · #52 21-09-2010, 04:18 PM

Does a lone voice in the forest ever be audible? Today in the Australian some twit wrote this drivel

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225926996637

This idiot is claiming that reason needs to be based on faith!

This sort of woolly thinking has been going on for millenia.

When these idiots and there is no other word, come to their collective senses I will bother to even talk to them.

Yet these morons will scream bias if I doubt their dogma and then shout heretic when we show them evidence, they are definitely deluded.

Have you seen the cunning plan they are mixing faith and reason into a melange that cannot be separated by the ordinary person.

Bert

CraigS · #53 21-09-2010, 04:53 PM

Actually, I found reading thru the three paragraphs was a bit of a challenge.

Comments follow:

Paragraph 1: Yeah .. ok .. get on with it boys …

Paragraph 2: Ok .. I can see where they're coming from. Its hard to separate human consciousness from cold, hard reality .. everything we do and perceive involves our senses (perception) and then our thinking (interpretation) and its always been difficult for any human to completely separate the two.
How could you, if you're human ? We can develop framework and tools to assist but the are invariably, human constructs.
So, Ok Paragraph 2 sounds reasonable. They've got me onboard.

Paragraph 3: Whooaa there boy !! Forget it ! They just lost me .. big time !

Pity .. a 90 degrees hook turn in paragraph 3.

Their 'cunning' plan is the same as the EU thread Carl posted yesterday. Suck 'em in with rationality and them hit 'em from the side with what they think you want to hear. Which tears their own credibility apart for those who don't want to hear that.

Cheers

avandonk · #54 21-09-2010, 05:41 PM

If you cannot see logic or consistency in this little bit of drivel, I am not surprised. These people are deluded as badly as the doomsday cults. I know we are pushing the limits of this sites T&C's.

I will stop arguing with these deluded humans when they look at the evidence and draw the same logical conclusions.

What makes me angry is they can claim the most ridiculous beliefs to be dogma and then block any refutation as impinging on religious freedom. This by the way is to be as moronic as mortal man can make!

I am not a johnny come lately troll here so my opinion should not be treated as such.

Bert

CraigS · #55 21-09-2010, 08:24 PM

Where to take this ?

Let's face it .. this Forum is about rational thinking.

Science is merely the subject matter.

The battle is with human nature .. or is it ?

Cheers

avandonk · #56 21-09-2010, 10:35 PM

As I have said time and time again it is not the job of science to explain supernatural anything!
Conversly the religious people should stay away from distorting the reality of science with their faith based beliefs that were written by goat herders a few thousand years ago.
I wonder if these people reject all the comforts of modern life like the Amish do. Even the Amish are stuck in the eighteenth century not life as it was a few thousand years ago. They stubbornly think their way is better.

This bloke is up with the latest Amish Drifting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRjF6O7wTAw

The hypocracy is appalling!

Bert

avandonk · #57 23-09-2010, 04:47 PM

Please explain! What was that about? Bert