And the list grows... - Page 3

Peter Ward · #41 02-07-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidTrap

And how do you propose that ADULT supervision could always occur? ....

I can't. Children can harm themselves in so many ways.

How many Kids are still admitted to burns units because their parents couldn't be bothered keeping a saucepan handle out of harms way? Do we ban saucepans next?

I for one did not bring up my kids thinking the state legislature would look after them...

astroron (Ron) · #42 02-07-2010, 10:08 PM

Ask the people who are Blind,Deaf,and maimed due to being able to do the things that you advocate they should be allowed to do, if they wish those things weren't allowed in those days

I had a new neighbour who decided after a week in is new property to have a fire work's night(even though they are band in Queensland) only one problem he neglected to inform his neighbours who had Horses and cattle in the adjacent properties.
Some horses where badly injured by running into barbed wire fences

His little party cost him $4,000 dollars plus vets bills

TrevorW · #43 02-07-2010, 10:17 PM

Public access to fireworks and their use in Western Australia was banned in 1967 due to pressure from the medical fraternity and parents concerned about the number of injuries, particularly to children, that were occurring each year.

Stupidity, lack or parent supervision and inadequate legislation to prevent children purchasing fireworks capable of blowing a hand off caused this ban.

Did the majority have a say !!!

Peter Ward · #44 02-07-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by astroron

Ask the people who are Blind,Deaf,and maimed due to being able to do the things that you advocate ....

An exaggeration perhaps?

I have never met a soul, nor know of any friend or family member who has met anyone with a life-long injury from a firework.

Bayesian statistics (ie the kind that says you should have met someone with the same birthday as you by now) would inticate I should have met someone, yet I have not.

Yet we look to legislation? Last time I checked, I knew a politician was lying because their lips were moving

astroron (Ron) · #45 02-07-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Ward

An exaggeration perhaps?

I have never met a soul, nor know of any friend or family member who has met anyone with a life-long injury from a firework.

Bayesian statistics (ie the kind that says you should have met someone with the same birthday as you by now) would inticate I should have met someone, yet I have not.

Yet we look to legislation? Last time I checked, I knew a politician was lying because their lips were moving

See Trevor's post above,

Just because you have never met or seen anyone injured , does not say it doesn't happen

astroron (Ron) · #46 02-07-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TrevorW

Public access to fireworks and their use in Western Australia was banned in 1967 due to pressure from the medical fraternity and parents concerned about the number of injuries, particularly to children, that were occurring each year.

Stupidity, lack or parent supervision and inadequate legislation to prevent children purchasing fireworks capable of blowing a hand off caused this ban.

Did the majority have a say !!!

Quite a bit of legistlation in this country is passed without the majority agreeing with it, that is what we call government

Peter Ward · #47 02-07-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by astroron

Quite a bit of legistlation in this country is passed without the majority agreeing with it, that is what we call government

Indeed. So apathy rules. More the pity.

Peter Ward · #48 02-07-2010, 10:49 PM

Just on the "government" bit.

In Oz, if you have a look at the actual numbers of people who "preselect" via Labour, Lib or Wooduck party membership the "candidate" for your electorate, I suspect you'd be surprised.

Typically, "the candidate" is chosen by just a few dozen (OK tens of dozens in some cases)... for an electorate with 50k to 100k voters??

Sorry I digress.... Bring back cracker night!

astroron (Ron) · #49 02-07-2010, 11:00 PM

Down with cracker night

DavidU (Dave) · #50 02-07-2010, 11:08 PM

Bring back cracker night. ( WITH every possible safety measure).

Peter Ward · #51 02-07-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by astroron

Down with cracker night

OK. So what's you position on "lasers" (complete with Dr Evil intonation)

How how about telescopes?????...a kid could knock off a solar mylar filter and be Amblyopic for life!!! (Binoviewers + solar ....a sure No-No)

danielsun · #52 02-07-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dugnsuz

...packing anything with nuts in your kids lunchbox!

Anaphylaxis is a serious matter. My 7 year old is anaphylactic to egg and nuts and highly alergic to milk.We must carry an EPI-PEN at all times to inject him in the event of an attack.Then you have to hope the ambulance gets there within 15 minutes. We have to be very careful with everything we buy and when dining out must stress how important it is that it must be egg milk and nut free and avoid cross contamination.
Many people don't understand it can be a life or death situation, but i'm sure that if it where your child you would have a different view on bringing nuts to school.

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Originally Posted by DavidU

Over my life I must have done/had all of the above, including (shock horror) taking a deadly peanut butter sandwich to school.

My sons school does not have a ban but more of an awareness on how dangerous some foods can be to some children.

astroron (Ron) · #53 02-07-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Ward

OK. So what's you position on "lasers" (complete with Dr Evil intonation)

How how about telescopes?????...a kid could knock off a solar mylar filter and be Amblyopic for life!!! (Binoviewers + solar ....a sure No-No)

On Lasers, it would be advisable to put an age limit on them,but like bicycle
helmets most children don't wear them and the Police have more things to do than to chase them

so it wouldn't be of any use.
But then most of the people charged for using lasers, as far as I have seen reported where between 14 and 22

TrevorW · #54 02-07-2010, 11:52 PM

Why is it the nut issue is so prevalent these days I cannot recall anyone I went to school with having an issue eating stuff with nut's in it

Peter Ward · #55 02-07-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by danielsun

Anaphylaxis is a serious matter. My 7 year old is anaphylactic to egg and nuts and highly alergic to milk....

I have a nephew (grand nephew to be precise) with a remarkably similar set of allergies.

Almost from the day he could speak, he was drilled to say to say "no eggs, no nuts"...and understood the ramifications.

That said, banning peanut sandwiches for everyone else is an act of cerebral peanuts IMHO.

I sincerely hope your little guy (and mine) grow out of it.

danielsun · #56 03-07-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TrevorW

Why is it the nut issue is so prevalent these days I cannot recall anyone I went to school with having an issue eating stuff with nut's in it

Not sure, Probably all the preservatives and crap they pump into our food now.
I also had never heard of it in my school days nor was fully aware until my son had his first reaction to milk at 6 months.
Apparently the number of people with allergies is growing every year. I even know of a couple of adults whom have suddenly developed allergies.

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Originally Posted by Peter Ward

I have a nephew (grand nephew to be precise) with a remarkably similar set of allergies.

Almost from the day he could speak, he was drilled to say to say "no eggs, no nuts"...and understood the ramifications.

That said, banning peanut sandwiches for everyone else is an act of cerebral peanuts IMHO.

I sincerely hope your little guy (and mine) grow out of it.

Yes, I sure hope they do too. They say that at aprox 25 to27 kg is when they are likely to grow out of most allergies but not the nuts

DavidU (Dave) · #57 03-07-2010, 12:23 AM

That's not good Daniel. My post was not meant to make light of this difficult illness.3 of my 5 kids are chronic asthmatics so I realise the extent of your worry s.I'm sure thing's will improve as he/she gets older.
Hang in there, my thoughts are with you.

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Originally Posted by danielsun

Anaphylaxis is a serious matter. My 7 year old is anaphylactic to egg and nuts and highly alergic to milk.We must carry an EPI-PEN at all times to inject him in the event of an attack.Then you have to hope the ambulance gets there within 15 minutes. We have to be very careful with everything we buy and when dining out must stress how important it is that it must be egg milk and nut free and avoid cross contamination.
Many people don't understand it can be a life or death situation, but i'm sure that if it where your child you would have a different view on bringing nuts to school.

My sons school does not have a ban but more of an awareness on how dangerous some foods can be to some children.

danielsun · #58 03-07-2010, 12:31 AM

[QUOTE=DavidU;610185]That's not good Daniel. My post was not meant to make light of this difficult illness.3 of my 5 kids are chronic asthmatics so I realise the extent of your worry s.I'm sure thing's will improve as he/she gets older.
Hang in there, my thoughts are with you.[/QUOTE
That's O.K Dave, I know you and Doug would not mean it that way I just had to mention it more as an awareness thing.

dugnsuz (Doug) · #59 03-07-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by danielsun

Anaphylaxis is a serious matter. My 7 year old is anaphylactic to egg and nuts and highly alergic to milk.We must carry an EPI-PEN at all times to inject him in the event of an attack.Then you have to hope the ambulance gets there within 15 minutes. We have to be very careful with everything we buy and when dining out must stress how important it is that it must be egg milk and nut free and avoid cross contamination.
Many people don't understand it can be a life or death situation, but i'm sure that if it where your child you would have a different view on bringing nuts to school.

Point taken and my point was put flippantly, but you're obviously an aware parent due the obvious danger to your kid.
Thus you inform your child, their classmates and adults responsible for their care with regard to their allergy.
I would hate to be in your situation - my apologies for being an a/hole.
Doug

danielsun · #60 03-07-2010, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dugnsuz

Point taken and my point was put flippantly, but you're obviously an aware parent due the obvious danger to your kid.
Thus you inform your child, their classmates and adults responsible for their care with regard to their allergy.
I would hate to be in your situation - my apologies for being an a/hole.
Doug

It's O.K Doug, I know that you would not have meant anything intentional I only had to bring it up for awareness. 7 years ago I could have said the same thing not knowing anything about it.