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Old 23-12-2009, 08:14 PM
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Ive often wondered, if Im in the right hand lane, at the speed limit, for whatever reason, right or wrong, does the hoon tailgateing behind me have the right to get the shiets, that he cant procceed at way above the limit?.
Legally you have to be in the left lane unless you're over taking. If you're doing 110kph and you're over taking then the hoon behind you has to wait. If you're by yourself then you should be on the left regardless of the speed you're doing.
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Old 23-12-2009, 08:23 PM
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Fred.. No he doesnt have the right to get the shiets, but im sure he does get them all the same... That my friend is a vicious case of "Too Bloody Bad" I reckon... No matter what the circumstances, if Im doing the speed limit, and some rowdy hoon plants himself right up my backside trying to make me either speed up or move over if possible, my first action is always to turn on my headlights... tail lights come on, they generally back right off after considering what underwear they are going to change into once they get home... on a few occasions, they back off, then come back 30 seconds later and sit right back where they were... When this happens, I will drop the car back a gear and test the brakes out a bit... go from 100 down to 75 in a relatively short amount of time (nothing drastic, just a firm reminder that whilst they sit up my rear, I'm in control, and the closer they sit, the slower I go..) If that fails, and I'll add that only once someone has been bold enough to return right up my backside after that... I go the whole 9 yards... prepair myself, take a good look around to get a feel for whats around me, take a minute to access the situation, then go straight for the hand brake... 0 warning for the tailgater... The first indication they have that something is a miss is the smoke billowing off the rear tyres, and their rather limited vision...

Some may say this is a form of road rage, but lets face it, if they were doing the right thing, it wouldn't happen... If they took note of the previous two warnings they were given, it wouldn't have happened... but plain and simple, I won't let some rev head street racing hoon push me into doing something I don't want to do..
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Old 23-12-2009, 08:48 PM
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Interesting that hoging the right lane is worse crime than illegal speeding......... dont know what to make of that. Doing the right thing is not being in the right lane granted, but is speeding less so?.
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Old 23-12-2009, 09:22 PM
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Fred.. No he doesnt have the right to get the shiets, but im sure he does get them all the same... That my friend is a vicious case of "Too Bloody Bad" I reckon... No matter what the circumstances, if Im doing the speed limit, and some rowdy hoon plants himself right up my backside trying to make me either speed up or move over if possible, my first action is always to turn on my headlights... tail lights come on, they generally back right off after considering what underwear they are going to change into once they get home... on a few occasions, they back off, then come back 30 seconds later and sit right back where they were... When this happens, I will drop the car back a gear and test the brakes out a bit... go from 100 down to 75 in a relatively short amount of time (nothing drastic, just a firm reminder that whilst they sit up my rear, I'm in control, and the closer they sit, the slower I go..) If that fails, and I'll add that only once someone has been bold enough to return right up my backside after that... I go the whole 9 yards... prepair myself, take a good look around to get a feel for whats around me, take a minute to access the situation, then go straight for the hand brake... 0 warning for the tailgater... The first indication they have that something is a miss is the smoke billowing off the rear tyres, and their rather limited vision...
Although I understand why you do this Alex, it is bloody dangerous at highway speeds. Isn't easier to change lanes and let them pass? Yes, it's probably some schmuck who just wants to go a bit faster, but it could be someone in a genuine hurry, or an unmarked emergency vehicle.

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Some may say this is a form of road rage, but lets face it, if they were doing the right thing, it wouldn't happen... If they took note of the previous two warnings they were given, it wouldn't have happened... but plain and simple, I won't let some rev head street racing hoon push me into doing something I don't want to do..
Hmm... If you were doing the right thing it wouldn't happen either, two wrongs don't make a right in this case. Yes, it's illegal to speed, it's also illegal to be in the right hand lane unless overtaking. It is orders of magnitude more dangerous to swerve at highway speeds than it is to do 10kmh over the speed limit. Someone tailgating you on the freeway is probably not street racing, they just want to go faster, why not let them? You don't own the road, you share it.

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Old 23-12-2009, 09:26 PM
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Interesting that hoging the right lane is worse crime than illegal speeding......... dont know what to make of that. Doing the right thing is not being in the right lane granted, but is speeding less so?.

Yeah Fred, if you block the right lane it can impede the progress of emergency vehicles. It's the first thing you learn motor racing, never block the emergency vehicle lane in the pits (it changes sides on the various tracks), I took that onto the road and have never since had to move out of the way of an emergency vehicle.

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Old 23-12-2009, 09:36 PM
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Although I understand why you do this Alex, it is bloody dangerous at highway speeds. Isn't easier to change lanes and let them pass? Yes, it's probably some schmuck who just wants to go a bit faster, but it could be someone in a genuine hurry, or an unmarked emergency vehicle.



Hmm... If you were doing the right thing it wouldn't happen either, two wrongs don't make a right in this case. Yes, it's illegal to speed, it's also illegal to be in the right hand lane unless overtaking. It is orders of magnitude more dangerous to swerve at highway speeds than it is to do 10kmh over the speed limit. Someone tailgating you on the freeway is probably not street racing, they just want to go faster, why not let them? You don't own the road, you share it.

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I see where you are coming from, however the time that I seriously stepped on the anchors was going up a single lane section of road out in the sticks. There was no lane for me to move into, what should I then have done? moved off onto the gravel?

Yes, if I were on the motorway and was able to pull into the left lane, I would have..

Pretty sure emergency services dont drive lowered VN V6 commodores with blaring exhausts and ratty looking paint... I could be wrong, but it doesnt seem likely.

Ps - The "street racer" comment wasn't referring to the person actually street racing at the time.. but you, being into motorsport, would know the type... 18~20 yr old male, VN V6 commodore, sitting on the bump stops, 20" rims on the front, 15" chaser rims on the rear, arm hanging out the window and a big holden sticker across the windscreen... exhaust almost as loud as his thrashed out diff...
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Come on Stuart, I know your a rev head, but thats silly , I wouldnt get in the way of an Ambo etc. Im talking about the situation where Im hogging the right lane, cause I can see another passing opertunity ahead, cant be bothered changing lanes for 30 seconds (weaving in and out) and some ******** just HAS to leave his cruise control on 130km/hr.

A minor point perhaps, but its happened quite often, infact its the only kind of agro ive experienced generally on freeways. I go out of my way to avoid agro, but it puzzles me, that ppl fine speeding a civil right that ecceeds all others.
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I recall a couple years ago after the Burnley Tunnel disaster there was a studio debate on TV involving truck and passenger car drivers.

A common complaint amongst the passenger car drivers was being tailgated by trucks.

Amazingly the truck drivers (2 or 3 of them if I recall correctly) justified tailgating on the basis that since their rigs were higher than the car in front of them they would be able to anticipate potential pile ups faster and react accordingly.:screwy :

Lets hope this is not a common attitude and the station specifically selected these meatheads to fuel the ratings.

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Old 23-12-2009, 09:53 PM
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Well.....you get drivers and drovers!
Tis a shame that good drivers aren't talked about more often than bad ones!
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Old 23-12-2009, 09:57 PM
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I see where you are coming from, however the time that I seriously stepped on the anchors was going up a single lane section of road out in the sticks. There was no lane for me to move into, what should I then have done? moved off onto the gravel?

Yes, if I were on the motorway and was able to pull into the left lane, I would have..

Pretty sure emergency services dont drive lowered VN V6 commodores with blaring exhausts and ratty looking paint... I could be wrong, but it doesnt seem likely.

Ps - The "street racer" comment wasn't referring to the person actually street racing at the time.. but you, being into motorsport, would know the type... 18~20 yr old male, VN V6 commodore, sitting on the bump stops, 20" rims on the front, 15" chaser rims on the rear, arm hanging out the window and a big holden sticker across the windscreen... exhaust almost as loud as his thrashed out diff...
Sorry I misunderstood you, but then just sit on the limit until he overtakes you.

Some copper drive those type of cars... off duty.

Don't see those guys at motorsport events, their cars aren't fast enough.

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Come on Stuart, I know your a rev head, but thats silly , I wouldnt get in the way of an Ambo etc. Im talking about the situation where Im hogging the right lane, cause I can see another passing opertunity ahead, cant be bothered changing lanes for 30 seconds (weaving in and out) and some ******** just HAS to leave his cruise control on 130km/hr.

A minor point perhaps, but its happened quite often, infact its the only kind of agro ive experienced generally on freeways. I go out of my way to avoid agro, but it puzzles me, that ppl fine speeding a civil right that ecceeds all others.
No Fred, 30 seconds is fine to hold on until you can overtake. Wouldn't happen in Melbourne, if you drive at 130kmh on the freeway you get a fine in the mail, virtually no people speed much these days on the freeway. Of course I wasn't suggesting that you get in the way of Ambos etc., but if you form the habit of leaving a lane free you never have to get out of the way, it's about forming good habits, not slowly forming bad ones.

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Old 23-12-2009, 09:58 PM
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I recall a couple years ago after the Burnley Tunnel disaster there was a studio debate on TV involving truck and passenger car drivers.

A common complaint amongst the passenger car drivers was being tailgated by trucks.

Amazingly the truck drivers (2 or 3 of them if I recall correctly) justified tailgating on the basis that since their rigs were higher than the car in front of them they would be able to anticipate potential pile ups faster and react accordingly.:screwy :

Lets hope this is not a common attitude and the station specifically selected these meatheads to fuel the ratings.

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Yes, I vaguely recall those comments also, Steven. How ludicrous!

Having said that, shortly after that terrible accident, there were cries of protest to ban trucks from the tunnel The fact that the tunnel was built to get traffic off the suburban streets in the first place and allow easier access for commuters and the transport industry from one side of Melbourne to the other, does not occur to many people.
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Old 24-12-2009, 09:49 AM
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A common complaint amongst the passenger car drivers was being tailgated by trucks.
I reckon tailgating is a matter of who's got the biggest one, truck, 4x4 etc.... Never seen a 2CV tailgating a mack truck. In a urban/city situation truck drivers would have a hard time manoeuvering but on an interstate at 100kph tailgating a small car... ... payback time?
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While I don't remember if it was the same show steven, I do recall a truck driver making a pretty good point in that if he leaves a safe distance between the front of the truck and a vehicle in front ..
cars will constantly squeeze into that space.. and the footage showed exactly that..Strangely on the hwy people give them a bit of space
City drivers (a lot of them) have an almost manic obbsession with squeezing every metre and second out of ther journey at all times ..
And then we stop at a red light and do it all again .. Im surprised trucks arn't swatting people down everyday .
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I reckon tailgating is a matter of who's got the biggest one, truck, 4x4 etc.... Never seen a 2CV tailgating a mack truck. In a urban/city situation truck drivers would have a hard time manoeuvering but on an interstate at 100kph tailgating a small car... ... payback time?
Tailgating a semi down the Bruce highway with a caravan on the back meant I could use about 30% less throttle. A great reason for putting top quality tyres on your caravan/trailer.
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Old 24-12-2009, 02:14 PM
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Tailgating a semi down the Bruce highway with a caravan on the back meant I could use about 30% less throttle. A great reason for putting top quality tyres on your caravan/trailer.
Unless the driver is Alex. Watch out for that hand brake smoke!
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I work in the Interstate Tspt industry and have done so for 20+ years.
Everyone has brought up valid points but most have a misconception of the underlying problem.

The tspt game was generally and old mans industry without much new blood entering it.
Since the new laws covering off on log books, now called work diaries, all the old blood are rapidly leaving the industry.
As you can well imagine, most drivers are not Rhodes scholars and most of us would have issues with spelling names of a fair few towns around Australia' but why would RTA's need to fine a driver $600+ for incorrectly spelling "Coonabarabran" in their work diary.

Drivers must not drive any more than 12 hrs in a 24 hr period.
They must have 4 night breaks with 2 being consecutive in a 14 day period.
The 14 day period is a rolling period.
Work hours a rounded up in 15 min intervals and rest breaks are rounded down.
There are cameras up and down the Hume that calculate the time that you have passed through them to work out if you have sped between them.
Drivers can only drive 5.25hrs and then need a 15 min break etc etc.
Then they have time slots to contend with.
This is only the tip of iceberg with the rules and regs for standard hours, then you move into Basic Fatigue and Advanced Fatigue Management.
Any work diary breach can cost $600+ plus loss points.

Drivers are behind the * ball before they even turn the key.

We now have a new unexperienced lot of drivers entering the industry through job losses in other sectors filling the gaps left as it is all getting to hard.
This country relys on road tspt - Rail is not viable for the eastern seaboard where time is critical - need to get std gauge across all states forst also.
In my opinion, it is going to get worse before it gets better.
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Old 25-12-2009, 11:52 AM
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Actually Grant, I find most interstate truckies to be well above the riff-raff in the city. The drivers I have the most trouble with are the run around town type transport drivers.

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I work in the Interstate Tspt industry and have done so for 20+ years.
Everyone has brought up valid points but most have a misconception of the underlying problem.

The tspt game was generally and old mans industry without much new blood entering it.
Since the new laws covering off on log books, now called work diaries, all the old blood are rapidly leaving the industry.
As you can well imagine, most drivers are not Rhodes scholars and most of us would have issues with spelling names of a fair few towns around Australia' but why would RTA's need to fine a driver $600+ for incorrectly spelling "Coonabarabran" in their work diary.

Drivers must not drive any more than 12 hrs in a 24 hr period.
They must have 4 night breaks with 2 being consecutive in a 14 day period.
The 14 day period is a rolling period.
Work hours a rounded up in 15 min intervals and rest breaks are rounded down.
There are cameras up and down the Hume that calculate the time that you have passed through them to work out if you have sped between them.
Drivers can only drive 5.25hrs and then need a 15 min break etc etc.
Then they have time slots to contend with.
This is only the tip of iceberg with the rules and regs for standard hours, then you move into Basic Fatigue and Advanced Fatigue Management.
Any work diary breach can cost $600+ plus loss points.

Drivers are behind the * ball before they even turn the key.

We now have a new unexperienced lot of drivers entering the industry through job losses in other sectors filling the gaps left as it is all getting to hard.
This country relys on road tspt - Rail is not viable for the eastern seaboard where time is critical - need to get std gauge across all states forst also.
In my opinion, it is going to get worse before it gets better.
Finally a Truckie who is talking sense about the problem who knows that it is not just a figment of us car driving people's imagination. I think that someone has a stick too firmly inserted where the sun don't shine to fine you for not spelling a name that I couldn't spell well with a dictionary and a thesaurus together. While the other rules are strict I think they are necessary for your safety as well as ours well I mainly want to say that I for one hope that the next Truckie behind me is you hope you have a great XMAS and get to your loved ones in one piece and have a great 2010
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