Forum Experiment - Mind and Intent

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by Nesti

I'm doing it to prove my point to people on this forum that there's more out there than just what science tells us there is.

2 dozen people on a forum is nothing to go public with. LOL I can get 500 with a small ad in the Nova magazine.

Your call.

No not me thanks. But I would appreciate you sending me out your blurb on how you intend to run and assess the experiment. Since you intend by this exercise to prove your theory I assume you would have no objection to showing those you intend to convince the methodology by which you intend to convince them. Deal???

regards

Claude

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by FredSnerd

No not me thanks. But I would appreciate you sending me out your blurb on how you intend to run and assess the experiment. Since you intend by this exercise to prove your theory I assume you would have no objection to showing those you intend to convince the methodology by which you intend to convince them. Deal???

regards

Claude

Hi Claude,

I wrote that I wanted to prove my point, not my theory...I don't have a theory in the first place, I have a suggestion, and I've been saying that all along.

If we run it, and I have set conditions, then everything will be viewable on the threads.

Also, this is just a chat forum, it's not a controlled environment, and as such it must rely upon people's honesty. It's not a science experiment, it's a forum experiment, with the single aim of showing, to the individual (since it is subjective), that there is more out there than what we know. Nothing more.

At the end of the day, if it's too difficult for people to just have a go, then essentially it's all about nit-picking of details within procedure rather than sharing with others what people have experienced in their travels.

If that is indeed the case, then the IIS forum would essentially be a waste of time and energy for me, as I can always spend more time nit-picking with Government in my job. But, I have seen a dozen people already who are willing to have a go and have some fun...and it is fun to see it work or fail.

I have no problem being wrong, or looking like an idiot on a forum. The main point of forums are to share ideas and inputs with others...otherwise, what's the point in investing time and energy into a forum where people are closed-off, insular or scared of experiencing something new? A few people so far think this might be fun or a worthy experience...that's a good thing.

I'm here because I like Astronomy, Science and I have opinions which I like swapping with others. If this forum turns out to be the opposite of what I'm looking for, I'm outa here rather than wasting my valuable time.

Cheers
Mark

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Mark

If others are keen to do this its got nothing to do with me. But if you ultimately intend to offer this as proof of anything (and you have said a few times that you’re doing this to prove a point) then you need to show people how you arrived or intend to arrive at your results. Its up to you but I don’t think its such a big deal to send out your procedures blurb to anyone interested, even if they’re not prepared to do the experiment at this stage.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Shano592

Marc, just get a bout of gastro, and that 8kg will be gone overnight!

Nah... you put it on slowly, it has to come off slowly. No pain, no gain.

[Chippy (Nick)]

I'll give it a try.

[bojan]

Being alive on this world for a just bit more than 59 years, all I can comment about attempts like this is only

If my life has been different, then maybe I would've had other opinion, but in a given circumstances.. No.

[styleman333]

Yo Mark

Count me in , dont know why ppl wanna rubbish ya , its a experiment , surely the ppl that come to this site understand that if the great dudes of the past didnt think outside the box , we wouldnt have what we have today ...

Dont believe in that sorta stuff too much but hey im open to stuff

good on ya mate , get me that ferrari

[Rod66 (Rod)]

Are you going to have a control group, ie a group that doesn't think about things to happen, but they happen anyway. How are you going to prove that the things that happen to us are a direct result of this technique, ie why wouldn't they happen anyway.. You'd have to clone me I suspect...

I feel this experiment is already flawed - remember the person measuring the outcome may in fact influence the outcome by the very act of measuring the outcome. Just how is it you expect to prove something again..??

Rod

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by Rod66

I feel this experiment is already flawed

Rod

OMG! What's "flawed" around here is the anal retentiveness of the minority of the forum. What it needs is a forum enema.

I'll say it without any ambiguity; this is a subjective fun experiment for those who want to participate. For those who want to employ anally retentive scientific measures, tell ya story walkin!

I wish to show, only to those who participate, that a difference is noticeable. For those who do not want to participate, I don't care whether you see flaw, bugger off.

What this forum needs is some fun, not more choked-up dialog.

Clear enough?!

[Gargoyle_Steve (Steve)]

I'm in.

For the record I'm about as far away from being a believer in anything new age / mystical / supernatural / alternate spirituality as it's possible o be. I commonly tell friends that Science is my religion, and in a very real way it is, because there is nothing in the universe that I have complete and unshakable faith in except for the Laws of Physics and other scientific truths.

So why am I in? Because there are a couple of things in my life right now that I do want to change, and whether it be by focusing my thoughts on them and perhaps creating my own "Self fulfilling prophecy", or through the old Jedi mind trick, if I can change one of these things for the better then that to ME is a positive result.

Bring it on Mark.

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by Gargoyle_Steve

I'm in.

For the record I'm about as far away from being a believer in anything new age / mystical / supernatural / alternate spirituality as it's possible o be. I commonly tell friends that Science is my religion, and in a very real way it is, because there is nothing in the universe that I have complete and unshakable faith in except for the Laws of Physics and other scientific truths.

So why am I in? Because there are a couple of things in my life right now that I do want to change, and whether it be by focusing my thoughts on them and perhaps creating my own "Self fulfilling prophecy", or through the old Jedi mind trick, if I can change one of these things for the better then that to ME is a positive result.

Bring it on Mark.

Keep science as your religion.

Welcome aboard.

[Rod66 (Rod)]

Originally Posted by Nesti

OMG! What's "flawed" around here is the anal retentiveness of the minority of the forum. What it needs is a forum enema.

I'll say it without any ambiguity; this is a subjective fun experiment for those who want to participate. For those who want to employ anally retentive scientific measures, tell ya story walkin!

I wish to show, only to those who participate, that a difference is noticeable. For those who do not want to participate, I don't care whether you see flaw, bugger off.

What this forum needs is some fun, not more choked-up dialog.

Clear enough?!

Hit a raw nerve did I. Ok I'll stay out of it if you're not into any thought provoking debate. Sounds pointless, now that you've managed to explain a few more of the details.

How you notice a difference appears to be completely subjective (your comment not mine) so I don't get how you confirm any real difference as a result of what you're doing. Enough said. Have fun.

Now where did I put my forum enema...

[GrahamL]

I'll watch thanks

good luck to all who participate.

when do books 2&3 get released Mark ?
http://www.stillpointinstitute.com.a...w_releases.htm

[renormalised (Carl)]

or through the old Jedi mind trick

I thought I cleared that up earlier. That was Obi Wan passing the Imperial soldier an bag full of credits. One discreet bribe (of a substantial amount) and anyone could do as they please

[renormalised (Carl)]

I commonly tell friends that Science is my religion, and in a very real way it is, because there is nothing in the universe that I have complete and unshakable faith in except for the Laws of Physics and other scientific truths.

Be very careful about allowing anything to become "your religion", science included. You're liable to become very disappointed with what you find or what transpires. No law is immutable and truths are subjective, no matter what they're about. The ethics that applies today may not apply tomorrow and the only real thing you can be certain about is that things change.

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by nightstalker

when do books 2&3 get released Mark ?
http://www.stillpointinstitute.com.a...w_releases.htm

LOL, Loooong story short. I've been thinking about that myself. At the moment its 18mths for #2 then another 18mths for #3 (it's a lot of work). Likely to be interrupted tho. Been asked to write a book on Tibetan Ayurvedic Medicine under the Sera Jey Monastery and StillPoint joint banner...a 2500yo text book is being transcribed for the first time. Pictures & everything. Request came from the office of the head honcho. Partner just secured [global] rights for all teachings and courses.

You playing CSI investigator??? I feel violated!

[rat156]

Unfortunately there is no possible experiment that would prove this dogma correct. Like most religious/mystic/spiritualistic beliefs they are based on people's perceptions of reality. If you can change that perception, you can change people's reality.

Steve, on a more serious note, seek help. If there are things that can be changed but that aren't happening for you, someone out there can help. If it can't be changed, then no amount of hoping or positive thinking will help I'm afraid. Sometimes an ear to bend can make you fell at least a bit better about life, sometimes just verbalising the problem diminishes it, a problem shared is a problem halved.

I'm not going to participate in this, not because it's not scientific (those that know me know I'm a bit of a stickler over this), but because it's promoting something which I believe is and has always been a sham. People may say that it's harmless, but I saw a story on the telly the other week about a young girl with an aggressive form of cancer who's parents had removed her from care because her Grandmother's tea (and a lot of prayer to a church) would cure her. When the child dies, they'll say it was God's will. Well I don't subscribe to any of this mysticism, old or new Age, it hurts people, it gives them false hope, it kills.

Cheers
Stuart

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by rat156

People may say that it's harmless, but I saw a story on the telly the other week about a young girl with an aggressive form of cancer who's parents had removed her from care because her Grandmother's tea (and a lot of prayer to a church) would cure her. When the child dies, they'll say it was God's will. Well I don't subscribe to any of this mysticism, old or new Age, it hurts people, it gives them false hope, it kills.

Cheers
Stuart

I agree with what you've said here. When we get cancer patients, we work-in with their treatments. In these situations we work simply on reducing the side-affects of treatment, 'Chemo' for instance is damaging, but for the most part, a necessary evil. That's why we get referrals from Oncology Departments, not because were an alternative to what they do, but that we offer a reduction to the affects. We even have volunteers working at the hospital for those who request.

Telling somebody don't go through the medical system is insane. Illnesses like cancer are tough, they run from one bodily system to the next. Positive thinking and Intent can't stop bullets.

BTW, we don't have a religion, we don't profess to replace any medical treatment whatsoever...I think there are some general assumptions within people's minds which may be incorrect.

Cheers
Mark

[TrevorW]

Hey guys keep an open mind I don't think Mark is suggesting people stop their prescribed medication etc

If you want to have a go, then just do it

I also don't think he is subscribing we join a cult or the Church of Scientology

Remember

"nothing ventured nothing gained"
"he who procrasinates miss'es the boat"
"curiosity killed the cat, (so we are safe) but bugger the cat"

"Knowledge is not inherently genetic, we learn from our willingness to to explore the things we don't understand, through trial and error correcting all those mistakes we make along the way, forever learning until the day we die"

[Ric]

Hi Mark

Any spots left?

If so count me in.

Cheers