Apollo Astronaut Confirms Existence of ET

[Jen]

Originally Posted by Screwdriverone

Hmmm, longest ever moon walk at 9 hours 17 minutes hey?

Can anyone spell "radiation poisoning"?

Nut Job. Gotta love the quote " Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit."

The National Enquirer said it was true so there!

Cheers


Chris

[Jen]

Originally Posted by Screwdriverone

Oh MY GOD Les,

Ving has captured photographic evidence of LGM's in his front YARD!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH run for the hills!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

Chris

well that green little critter looks harmless until he opens his mouth and out come hundreds of sharp teeth LMAO

[Dog Star (Phil)]

Seems to me that while the odds of intelligent life existing in the Universe may well be small, those odds do exist.
The odds that intelligent life is visiting us now and in the past must be an AWFUL lot smaller.
The odds that intelligent life is in cahoots with governments all around the world must be an AWFUL LOT SMALLER again.
I've seen a couple of things in the sky over the years that I couldn't identify but I'm fairly certain that they weren't alien space craft.
Which is all a damn shame, as I would really LIKE to believe. Just can't do so on the available evidence. It would be great to be proved wrong though.
Do I believe that we went to the Moon? I most certainly do! The evidence is irrefutable and when and if the ufology mob come up with that sort of evidence I'll gladly and humbly join their side. 'Till then.....

[AlexN]

I 100% believe the moon landing happened exactly how and when it did, however I think the 'live footage' was a bit iffy...

it may well have been near on identical to what was actually happening on the moon at the time... but i personally dont believe they had the technology at the time to stream A/V from the moon to every television in america, and indeed the world...

[Chrissyo (Chris)]

Originally Posted by AlexN

it may well have been near on identical to what was actually happening on the moon at the time... but i personally dont believe they had the technology at the time to stream A/V from the moon to every television in america, and indeed the world...

Why do you think this?
On what are you basing this?
Are you familiar with the technology/techniques used to transmit the data from the Moon to the Earth?
If so, what was inadequate for this to occur and what do you think would have been required?

If the footage was faked, how did they distribute it?
How would they keep everyone involved quiet?

Finally, if the footage is fake as you suggest, how would they have gone about faking all aspects of lunar EVA flawlessly - 1/6th gravity, zero atmosphere, miles upon miles of 'lunar surface' evenly illuminated with only one light source, etc?

[Dog Star (Phil)]

Another link here;
http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/al...tchell-02.html
Um, I've stuffed that somehow- shouldn't the link have printed in blue characters? I'm not real flash on computers sometimes. I'll accept any strongly worded reprimands.
(No I won't! Just sorted it)

[AlexN]

its based on nothing more than opinion...

As I said, I believe they were there and thats what really matters.

[kinetic (Steve)]

I know I have said before in this thread that I 100% believe
that we went to the moon, BUT......

there is a very interesting read on the internet about the
'Lost Apollo 11 full res tapes', it makes fascinating reading.

To summarise: At the time of the moon landing it was a huge
logistical excercise to not only get a very reliable video feed
from the moon for the moment of the first step on the moon,
but to also send it to all parts of the world and 'down-convert'
it to all of the different video formats the world had: PAL , NTSC etc.

To do this job, one tracking station in Australia had the job of
receiving the feed, converting it and sending it to the rest of the
world. Remember the fillum, the Dish?

Most of the conversion processes had a detrimental effect on the
quality of the feed coming out the other end, but this catch-22
situation was deemed necessary so that the world still got to
see this momentous occassion live.

NASA, of course, still recorded on magnetic tape the full resolution
feed for history and this job was also done by the Aussie receiving
station engineers.

These full res tapes are all stored in the USA in a national archive
and exist for all of the moon landings.
But the most important one...Apollo 11 is missing.
And all the world has EVER seen of this moment is the crappy low
res version....Have you ever seen the full resolution version...no
one has.

Now, if I was telling this whole story you would probably just write me
off as a conspiracy nut....a typical UFO quack type.
But imagine if this whole story was written by the very team of engineers
that received that feed in Australia in 1969...

It's a good read.
http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/tapes/

Steve

[AlexN]

Steve... sure is interesting... adds reason to my otherwise unfounded skepticism on the video feed...

[leinad (Dan)]

How boring. I thought he was going to come forward about the crystal towers, and crashed space craft on the moon that 'he' saw; not rant for 2 pennies about 'there's reason to believe its real from what he's been told'. He sounds more like a crackpot with credentials.
Give the free media some ammo Ed. Who told you; where; is their any irrefutable evidence?

Are they angels? Demons? Our future selves ?

The only UFO information I want explained is the bizarre filmed objects in the STS-75 and other STS missions.

"There are two types of UFOs, ours and theirs" Ben Rich, former Head of Lockheed Skunkworks

My 2 cents.

[leinad (Dan)]

Originally Posted by AlexN

Steve... sure is interesting... adds reason to my otherwise unfounded skepticism on the video feed...

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ap...llo_tapes.html

"About 18 months ago, NASA Goddard began an informal search for the tapes after some inquiries from retirees from the space agency and others from the Apollo program. NASA engineers are hopeful that when the tapes are found, they can use today's digital technology to provide a version of the moonwalk that is much better quality than what we have today."


Or was it digital technology they were afraid might expose what could really be seen? Interesting nonetheless.

[ngcles]

Hi Astraltraveller & All,

David wrote:

"Interesting calculations but the answer seems just a bit too convenient. Sorry but it looks contrived. I'm certainly not suggesting space is teeming with life (far less that we have been visited) but only 1-2 in our galaxy strikes me as too low."

Yep, that's a reasonable criticism, but the real purpose of the exercise isn't to arrive at a specific probability figure, but to highlight the fact that there is a lot more to making a suitable environment for an intelligent species to come into existence than most people give thought to. In my original set of calculations 5,000,000 total G0 to G3 stars is certainly too low a figure to start with -- probably more like 5,000,000,000 actually out of a total population of 300,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way. On the calculation I did above, that would therefore produce 5,000 civilisations instead of 5 in the Milky Way. But thinking further, there are probably a few of other negative factors still to be worked in.

The first one is a strong magnetic field around the planet. Without the pretty strong magnetic field the Earth has, we'd all be bathed in sterilising radiation from the Sun. Mars, Venus and Mercury all have negligible fields compared to Earth. The Earth's field is produced by our liquid outer core acting like a dynamo. It plays a significant role in protecting our atmosphere from being blown away (evaporating) by the Solar wind too. Venus, a similar-sized terrestrial planet has no appreciable field -- so it's not just a size thing. The lack of a strong magnetic field will make life much, much harder. Based on the sample (in our system at least) of 4 terrestrial planets, we have a 1 in 4 with an appreciable magnetic field. Bringing it down from 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 1,250 ...

A large Moon. The Moon also plays a role in stabilising a lot of things like the length of the day and the Earth's Obliquity (Axial tilt). Without the Moon we would likely be subject to larger (over time) variations in tilt and climate change variations that would make any climatologist dribble at the mouth. Planet-wide snowball effects for 100s of millions or even billions of years at a time would be a huge set-back for intelligent life to emerge too. Our current situation sees our obliquity vary by only a couple of degrees over extremely long time-scales. Mars however sees a very large variation which would make it very unsuitable -- beside other factors. Are big Moons common for terrestrial planets? Only 1/4 in this system and I'd think it is actually much, much smaller than that in the wider population in the galaxy. Possibly as high as 1/20 but likely much worse. Using 1/20, this brings the figure down to 63 civilisations.

Time-frame. It took about 4.6 billion years for intelligent life to emerge on this planet and it seems reasonable therefore that it would take about that long elsewhere. Earth won't be habitable forever and a whole range of issues means that life has probably only got a 1 billion-year window left here (if that). This means that for a Sun-like star, the habitable zone has a limited time-span. The run-up to us appearing has been 4.6 billion and we can only be here for about a billion at most. Therefore only about 1/5th of the time-frame in a star's life is really available -- reducing the count by 80%. Therefore that G0 to G3 star is going to be at least say 4 billion and no more than 5 or 6 billion years old and likely to have intelligent life. 80% reduction on 63 equals 14 civilisations at a given time.

Another is having a couple of giant planets (Jupiter + Saturn) well out, in stable orbits that can eject (or eat up) the rubbish (Comets and asteroids) that are not in stable orbits. A high comet count in the inner solar-system is going to make life a precarious venture on any terrestrial planet. Big outer planets is probably pretty common, lets say 50/50 producing a total number of civilisations at perhaps 7 within the Milky Way. Out of that 7, how many will solve the riddles of Physics that apparently make interstellar travel impossible? Maybe 2 or 3 -- dunno.

These figures are really no more than educated guesstimates as I've said, but it demonstrates the diversity of factors at play to produce a biosphere stable enough and long-lived enough to eventually (possibly) produce intelligent life. Some are rare, some probably very rare and others more common. There could be other factors I haven't thought of as well. Even just another couple of 50/50s (I haven't thought of yet) could cut the potential number of civilisations down by another 75% -- to 2 or even 1.


Taking into account all the above I believe that intelligent life isn't very common, is probably rare, very rare, or possibly even singular in our galaxy. We know the minimum figure is 1 with certainty (assuming we consider ourselves intelligent). I'm content with the notion that it could be an order of magnitude higher (in the tens) but I really don't think the Galaxy is teeming with intelligent life, advanced life (multi-cellular creatures) or indeed life simpliciter for that matter. I'd be very, very surprised if it is two orders of magnitude higher (over 100 civilisations) and a figure less than ten seems pretty likely to me, but it is only an opinion and a really interesting thing to think about.

Best,

Les D

[DistroMan (Trevor)]

Ah, let's take the lowest figure of 1 and go from there. Remembering that 'out there' must include the rest of the known universe. So 1 multiplied by known galaxies.....

[Outbackmanyep]

Originally Posted by Chrissyo

Why do you think this?
On what are you basing this?
Are you familiar with the technology/techniques used to transmit the data from the Moon to the Earth?
If so, what was inadequate for this to occur and what do you think would have been required?

If the footage was faked, how did they distribute it?
How would they keep everyone involved quiet?

Finally, if the footage is fake as you suggest, how would they have gone about faking all aspects of lunar EVA flawlessly - 1/6th gravity, zero atmosphere, miles upon miles of 'lunar surface' evenly illuminated with only one light source, etc?

I'd like to add to Chrissyo's words here......

What about the guys at Honeysuckle Creek,who actually recorded the data and dialogue of the received transmissions of the Apollo 11 landing, and Parkes Radio telescope which also received transmissions from the moon. Ask anyone who was there at PKS or HSC (if they're still alive) where exactly the dishes were pointing when the information came through.......Are you going to call these guys spokes in the Hoaxing wheel too??
I'm sorry, but there was too much going on involving thousands of people and researchers to conclude that the landings could have been faked.
Ask how many "non-believers" how many men walked on the moon and i bet that a common response would be 2. How many "non-believers" would have seen footage from the other landings?? Explain the parabolic arcs of dust coming from the astronauts boots while walking on the moon.....how would they be reproduced in an Earth-like environment???



The "Face on Mars" has been dealt with in High-Res fashion, and when the Apollo landers are being photographed, so will all the Surveyor probes and the Lunik probes and all the Saturn Rocket stages that ended up there too!
Hopefully that will settle the argument, but while ever there is doubt there will be controversy.

I'm a believer.

PS...I thought they found the Apollo 11 tapes in Australia??

[DistroMan (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by Outbackmanyep

PS...I thought they found the Apollo 11 tapes in Australia??

They did, but someone used them to pirate an AC/DC concert.

[badchap]

Originally Posted by AlexN

I 100% believe the moon landing happened exactly how and when it did, however I think the 'live footage' was a bit iffy...

it may well have been near on identical to what was actually happening on the moon at the time... but i personally dont believe they had the technology at the time to stream A/V from the moon to every television in america, and indeed the world...

Some discussion about the tv broadcast at the excellent clavius website -

http://www.clavius.org/tvqual.html

[ving (David)]

Originally Posted by AlexN

Can anyone say L S D ?

LSD... now what?

aliens (for want of a better word) most likely exist, but why they'd bother coming here to give annal probes and turn cows inside-out i have no idea.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

"Keith Basterfield, co-director of the Australian UFO research network, believes Dr Mitchell may have damaged the work of serious scientific researchers into UFOs due to the former astronaut's broad claims and his inability to source what he's presenting as fact."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/08/01/2321687.htm

[Amy]

I ordered a DVD from amazon.com just this past week that I'm anxiously awaiting. It's called "Fire in the sky". It's a movie about Travis Walton, who claimed alien abduction and relates eyewitness testimony.

Here's a link to his website: http://www.travis-walton.com/

Now, as to whether this particular instance is fact as opposed to fiction, I can't say......but like many others here....I can't look at ALL the many stars, solar systems, galaxies, etc....and think that WE'RE the ONLY ones
populating a planet. What a literal waste of space otherwise.

I also think all the governments of the world are aware....but to acknowledge it without having a plan of protection (for an unknown entity or several....each of different species along with strengths and weaknesses we're unable to understand) would be futile. We would be the same way with our own children.....why stir up a ruckus when you have no plan to deal with it? So your only choice at that point is to lay low til you're forced to do something about it. If whatever alien life MADE it to our world....they're already obviously way above our abilities.

[Jen]