re stopping hysteria maybe a bex and a good lie down would help, or a ***** slap like in the movies, to which we would respond, awakened from our stupor, thanks i needed that? like they do
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We may be causing it we may not but to think we can stop it if it is us is stupid..wonthappem..whatwillhappeis maybusiesseswilltakeadvatageofthefe arandoffersolutiosthatwillpaythemwe ll.
Sorrythiskeyoardisstuffed.
alex
We may be causing it we may not but to think we can stop it if it is us is stupid..wonthappem..whatwillhappeis maybusiesseswilltakeadvatageofthefe arandoffersolutiosthatwillpaythemwe ll.
Sorrythiskeyoardisstuffed.
alex
that will be the humidity cause by global warming that is making your spacebar sticky...
When petrol prices hit 80cents we complained we did the same when they hit 90, 1.00. 1.10, 1.20... and now 1.60. We all complained at the increasing cost. But what did we do about it? Have we as a whole changed this rising trend? As someone pointed out earlier and I have seen this back in India also. In India there was a time when most people where on 2 wheelers, now more can afford 4 wheelers and so now we have more cars with 1 person in them. If petrol costs are having such a huge impact on our lives then what have we the people done about it?
Forget the politicians, this is something that is in our hands to change. Carpooling was like a passing fad and never really took hold. Most people like the independence/freedom of there own vehicle. But we still complain.
Regardless of the problem the only question is what am I doing about it?
What does it mean otherwise to be a Citazen? If we can not excercise control over ourselves, if we are not interested to learn the truth ourselves. Then there is no hope. Blame whoever we like, ignore what ever we like, then live with what happens to us.
Give to the poor, plant a tree, carpool, use public transport, turn of a unused light, dont waste water we don't need governments for this work.
If fuel is 1.60 then half it by sharing the cost, very simple but it needs us to reach out to our neighbor and share.
Perhaps we can not change the weather, but we can change ourselves.
Well said, Fahim. But we all bear responsibility, and so do the governments and those producing the stuff as well. However, it's the general public that can make the real changes, if they'd only open their eyes, minds and be a bit more critical in their thinking.
I agree to a degree Fahim however there are forces at work that corrupt the market such that one must wonder if it may be wise to regulate the market...why because the market allows for greed and waste of resources and it matters not that some decent folk seek to do the right thing etc.....
I use less energy than anyone in this country I bet..I store my own rain water..no desalination fees, no energy to pump it around town...I generate my own electricity for my humble electric appliances... and lately I have been sharing transport costs
Anyways as I said I feel there is no action that will head off any human input to the problem...and from all I have read it seems the Earth has had many many many changes in its climate..presumably those earlier changes were without the input of humans...and things changed back ..without the input of humans...
However global warming is the new industry... just look at those earning very good livings from pointing out the problem or attending conferences to dribble on about what to do... so many involved are hypocrites... talk talk talk but on a personal level do nothing but consume and waste as a capitalist economy demands of us...
So I expect when I go to Sydney that I will find the lights of office buildings are now turned off at night, and that v8s are banned from the city..and a list of small things that can be done now are being implemented..no?? pity as these simple moves will at least show someone is acting to implement change....but all I will find is folk selling low energy lights for homes and more efficient shower nozzles simply to play at doing something real and effective...
AND so I say..given the problem is here by most accounts what is being done apart from some smarties profiting from the fear etc.
“the opposing powerful forces at play in this debate are very interesting, self preservation should always win out?”
It will always win! 99.999% of those who are horrified by destruction of the nature we are inflicting on our environment will without any second thought break pick handle over the head of last Koala in whole world and cook it on the fire made of last Wollondilly pine, if chips are down and he and his family are starving. I have many times posted my opinions and have been blasted for it. I’m not saying what’s right or what’s wrong. I just look on the reality of things. After living in three different countries with three different political systems and spending considerable time in developing South Asian country I got reasonable clue of the problems this world is facing and impossibilities of finding solutions under current political systems. But, depside of what I am I’m not hypocrite. I recognise that for me to maintain my standard of living I have to screw up few hundreds of people somewhere in the word to enjoy my good living standards. I’m over sixty now and I got four years old kid. The slogans of “leave it for our children” does fall on deaf ears with me. I have to make my way thru tough times after the Second World War that was not of my making. As for my kid - what ever we left for him he have to make best of it. That’s evolution and survival of fittest.
All of you that think that switching off few lights or developing electric car is going to make any real difference you are kidding yourself. There is something like 4 billion people that will require terawatts of electric power and millions of tones of steel ,copper ,aluminium and the rest of the resources just to get close to our standard of living. And most of that power will come from burning coal or oil. And if you want to have right to tell rest of the developing world what to do, well then be satisfied with your salary dropping down to about $8000 a year with costs of living remaining basically same.
There are many problems for the future and there are no solutions for it as yet. When the things will get rally bad, solutions will come up and those solutions will be drastic. Right now only long term assets worth having is gold, food producing land and energy stocks. Right or wrong, that’s how I see it with livelong experience living in different continents with different political systems.
damn good thoughtful reads/thoughts/ideas here folks!
yep and which way does self preservation end game, life and death, backs to the wall type situations ALWAYS mean for humans all thru histories, cannibalism - let the great feast/BBQ begin! watching history channel has taught me that much, we managed to chew our way thru the neanderthals didnt we? mmm koala sarnie! i think koalas might be toxic to eat due to their diet tho?
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....let the great feast/BBQ begin! watching history channel has taught me that much, we managed to chew our way thru the neanderthals didnt we? mmm koala sarnie! i think koalas might be toxic to eat due to their diet tho?
Hey, shouldn't we be a little more ecologically minded before we chuck them on the BBQ? I say squeeze the eucalyptis oil out of the little buggers first... I heard its good for colds and cleaning stuff...
When I read:
James Hansen and his NASA mob used an algorithm in their modelling that would have ensured the now infamous "hockey stick" outcome regardless of whatever input was made.
That this same "hockey stick" graph failed to show any significant variation at the time of the Medieval Warming or the Maunder Minimum - not to mention the Dalton Minimum
That various "climate models" failed to predict now known outcomes even with all the latest data.
That global temperatures ceased rising in 2001.
I know we have been sold a pup!
As has often been stated, Australia with its 20 odd million people could revert to the stone-age tomorrow and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to this problem if it exists at all. It is nothing but national grandstanding by Rudd, Wong, Garrett and Garnaut. Not to mention the ABC which goes absolutely orgasmic over this subject.
Phew! I'll go and have that Bex now.
Peace to all,
Mark.
"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd." – Bertrand Russell.
"There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe them." - George Orwell.
So I expect when I go to Sydney that I will find the lights of office buildings are now turned off at night, and that v8s are banned from the city.....
AND so I say..given the problem is here by most accounts what is being done apart from some smarties profiting from the fear etc.
alex
Aha Alex,
I warn you.........I have defined myself a pilgrim, if you annoy this Sydneysider you will be fined $5500
I now present for you a few graphs. Make up your own mind.
Bert
Note the CO2 concentrations lag the temperature by about a thousand years in the first graph. This is not a problem as we were not around to affect things. The ice ages are caused by the Milankovitch cycle and then drive CO2 up as the Earth warms to have a positive feedback system.
Never in a very long time has the CO2 concentration got to these levels. We ignore this at our peril.
Even if fossil fuel burning is causally linked to global warming, reducing Australias emissions with whatever taxes you like won't do squat on a global level. Carbon offsets is another OH&S - expensive consultants fuelling a way to keep them gainfully employed. At least OH&S has saved some peoples skins (I think....).
Even if fossil fuel burning is causally linked to global warming, reducing Australias emissions with whatever taxes you like won't do squat on a global level. Carbon offsets is another OH&S - expensive consultants fuelling a way to keep them gainfully employed. At least OH&S has saved some peoples skins (I think....).
Well at least the idiots in the whitehouse can't point at us now as fellow clmate change recousetrants, and maybe their days in power are numbered too.
