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[JethroB76 (Jeff)]

Originally Posted by dugnsuz

Also "search" mode is very un-intuitive.

Oh yes

[skwinty (Steve)]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

Peter deliberately posts to creat havoc (what, do you really think hes unaware of what he does ). Thats why we love him, would be boring with out his posts, Peter posts, thats my 1st click, every time .

I agree.
I initially thought he was be sarcastic and facetious until some one pointed out that
"As far as the sarcasm or facetious humour goes? That can sometimes just be the Australian way of having a laugh. It's in our nature to be irreverent and our wit can at times border on the robust! As they say in the classics...'we mean no harm'."
Regards
Steve

[dugnsuz (Doug)]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

And.......... Peter deliberately posts to creat havoc (what, do you really think hes unaware of what he does ). Thats why we love him, would be boring with out his posts, Peter posts, thats my 1st click, every time .

Aw c'mon Fred,
It always kicks off around him, but his initial post is never that incendiary!
'Long focal length scopes require better mounts for imaging' - paraphrasing of course!! It's hardly worthy of the vitriol that follows is it!?
But I know what you mean! I see the name and think "...this is gonna be good!!"
Doug

[dugnsuz (Doug)]

Originally Posted by skwinty

I agree.
I initially thought he was be sarcastic and facetious until some one pointed out that
"As far as the sarcasm or facetious humour goes? That can sometimes just be the Australian way of having a laugh. It's in our nature to be irreverent and our wit can at times border on the robust! As they say in the classics...'we mean no harm'."
Regards
Steve

Hey Steve,
I personally think that being facetious isn't a facet(!) of Aussie humour.
And, Aussie sarcasm usually has a good-natured slant to it.
I don't think PW starts his posts with sarcastic or facetious intentions - I have learned from his posts.The responses from others seem to incur his sarcastic/facetious side thanks to their sarcastic/facetious content as far as I can see.
Doug

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Doug

From what Ive seen, he speaks the truth of the Tasco dream, no patronising is tolerated. Bonus effect of course is, if he posts a positive comment on an image, its probably a pretty good image, a no bull assesment, sheesh, thats hard to find.

And yes, an eye for an eye response?, love it ;-).

[dugnsuz (Doug)]

"he speaks the truth of the Tasco dream"...bloody brilliant Fred!!!!
Doug

[JethroB76 (Jeff)]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

a lot less (well, none) navigating and mouse clicking.

How do you figure that?

In a yahoo group, you click on the thread then either click again to see all responses or click however many times to see individual responses - the astromart forum is worst of all IMO.

In IIS you click on the thread and read it, how hard is it to work out whats going on in a thread?

[skwinty (Steve)]

Excuse my ignorance here Fred, but what is the Tasco dream?
Regards
Steve

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Look, I appreciate both formats, this is not a dump on multithreads. Yahoo is a simple format, probably past its time, but logging onto a yahoo group shows you all the posts in one hit, and yes OK, you need to click on a post to read it, but I find I often miss whole IIS threads if I dont go to each subject and check. The tools are there in IIS, its me, Im lazy ;-).

[dugnsuz (Doug)]

Originally Posted by skwinty

Excuse my ignorance here Fred, but what is the Tasco dream?
Regards
Steve

Fred might have his own description, but I believe the Tasco dream to be...

expecting Hubble images at the eyepiece of department store telescopes!

Doug

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Steve, your kidding ;-). Image quality (DSO in particular) relies on good alignment, focus, guiding, optics, cam etc. The better you want it, the more money (mostly) and effort it takes. The Tasco dream is, in short, HOPING to defy physics and match Hubble with a "Tasco" (or similar). Youve seen it a million times here, lets not drag that hory old dragon up again, I respectfully recommend refering to Peters posts on the subject ;-).

[matt]

Originally Posted by dugnsuz

I personally think that being facetious isn't a facet(!) of Aussie humour.
And, Aussie sarcasm usually has a good-natured slant to it.

That's why I said 'we mean no harm' by our sarcasm.

[skwinty (Steve)]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

Steve, your kidding ;-). Image quality (DSO in particular) relies on good alignment, focus, guiding, optics, cam etc. The better you want it, the more money (mostly) and effort it takes. The Tasco dream is, in short, HOPING to defy physics and match Hubble with a "Tasco" (or similar). Youve seen it a million times here, lets not drag that hory old dragon up again, I respectfully recommend refering to Peters posts on the subject ;-).

Hello Fred
Actually I wasnt kidding. I had just never heard of the expression.
Now that you have clarified this I can only say that this dream/nightmare extends way beyond Tasco. In short only the Hubble will produce hubble quality and the James Webb will surpass that of the Hubble.
I suppose the more you spend the less of a nightmare it becomes and the more of a dream starting to come true.
I cant imagine anyone who is interested in astronomy going out to buy a department store telescope. They probably receive them as a gift from someone. If that telescope engenders a long lived interest in astronomy then I personally think that it was a good purchase.
My expenditure on astronomy to date has been about R50,000 South African Rand which at the time of purchase was about $7500 USD.
This is in my situation a sizeable amount of money. I would if i could spend lots more but i still wouldnt expect Hubble quality.

As Peter would say "Horses for courses".
I look forward to Peter's posts and the responses they gather and the responses he elicits from me. Perhaps I didnt understand his remarks about the tracking capabilities of garden rocks when i asked his opinion on eq6 pro's.
However i got over that , and i do read his posts whenever he posts and i do respect his opinion. I can almost hear the clucking as feathers get ruffled.
Regards
Steve

[dugnsuz (Doug)]

Originally Posted by matt

That's why I said 'we mean no harm' by our sarcasm.

Sorry Matt - I should read the disclaimers!
Doug

[matt]

No worries, Doug

[dugnsuz (Doug)]

Originally Posted by skwinty

I cant imagine anyone who is interested in astronomy going out to buy a department store telescope. They probably receive them as a gift from someone.

Mate!! Sarcasm and facetiousness aside, you're joking aren't you - that's where most of us start!! - With an unrealistic expectation of what the equipment we can afford will actually deliver!!??
I know I did - Im sure lots on IIS did too!

Doug

[Bassnut (Fred)]

[quote=skwinty;299965]Hello Fred
I had just never heard of the expression.

Sorry, I just thought of it, seemed to fit

[skwinty (Steve)]

Originally Posted by dugnsuz

Mate!! Sarcasm and facetiousness aside, you're joking aren't you - that's where most of us start!! - With an unrealistic expectation of what the equipment we can afford will actually deliver!!??
I know I did - Im sure lots on IIS did too!

Doug

I was fortunate to have looked through a Department store telescope before purchasing. As bad as the view was it certainly inspired me to take the plunge and get more involved. However this only took place about 3 years ago. They say one shouldnt go through life with regrets but i certainly regret not having looked through a crappy telescope 45 years ago.
Regards
Steve

[dugnsuz (Doug)]

Originally Posted by skwinty

I was fortunate to have looked through a Department store telescope before purchasing. As bad as the view was it certainly inspired me to take the plunge and get more involved. However this only took place about 3 years ago. They say one shouldnt go through life with regrets but i certainly regret not having looked through a crappy telescope 45 years ago.
Regards
Steve

Hey Steve,
A lot of us have been unfortunate to have gone the Tasco route as our entry point - but we are here now with the knowledge and experience accumulated along the way! We have learned - and we can pass that "learnin'" on!!!
Let's do it!!
Doug!!!

[leon]

Here Here, well said, I didnt even have a Tasco, and started off with a curved bolt home made clock drive, for imaging, which i still have by the way, and intend to show it off to my grandson when he gets older, he is 14 months.

Leon