U.S. behind the times, but claiming the prize.

[xelasnave]

Sorry I was in a rush so the spelling etc is poor but I have to go now and let you work it out... be happy about that as well
alex

[johnno]

I turn 59 this month,

and have been an Amateur radio operator for nearly half that time,

I have spoken via voice,and Morse code,to many people from Many Different countries around the world.

The ONLY people,I have ever struck, who spruke their Individual age,and Achievements,

Are......Guess Who?

................I dont get on air much these days.

[Alchemy (Clive)]

intriuging thread, a quick thought as all countries have their faults ..ours included

Who would you rather ruled the world

1.the anglo/american democracy
2. the Soviet socialist movement
3. The chineese communist party
4. The other mob that have their origins in the middle east.

which of them would allow you to live as you do now ?

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

intriuging thread, a quick thought as all countries have their faults ..ours included

Who would you rather ruled the world

1.the anglo/american democracy
2. the Soviet socialist movement
3. The chineese communist party
4. The other mob that have their origins in the middle east.

which of them would allow you to live as you do now ?

Democracy is said to be the worst form of Government however it can be corrupted relatively less than the others and wins by default.

We at least can have a grizzle with little fear of being carried away to the Gulag but freedom is usually limited to the norm of our society which is reasonable.

I saw the car which was the object of this thread and I see it as very positive as it may well be the thin edge of the wedge as it were... the only way that electric cars can take off is via the market and looking at it is does not seem too unusual to be shunned.

And how folk can generalise with a nation so large as the USA is beyond me.. we will remember the braggers no doubt but they are not the only ones in the USA..

alex

[AJames]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

intriuging thread, a quick thought as all countries have their faults ..ours included
Who would you rather ruled the world
1. The anglo/american democracy
2. The Soviet socialist movement
3. The chineese communist party
4. The other mob that have their origins in the middle east.

which of them would allow you to live as you do now ?

Alchemy and Xelasnave, *

Probably good points, (I'm a true democrat at heart) but I think actually think the debate here is not really about the best political system, but is more about the currently "imposed" superior moral and political attitudes that the Americans people have seem to have adopted towards us and the rest of the world.
I do think Americans have in the past contributed much to the modern world - something any intelligent person can't deny. Since the 1950's, they have contributed much to the world technology and have lead us on the path of great prosperity and opulence (as said elsewhre in this thread.) Ie. From Australia's point of view they certainly saved us from occupation by the Japanese during the WWII, etc.. In the 'war on terror' they have rightly or wrongly stated they will stand against the darkness, just in case civilisation falters on the edge, to fall into the hands of fanaticism. In all, I agree, we should be grateful for this, and for this reason Australia has strong ties to the U.S.
However, for this significant contribution, we bear a great cost - to the extent, America is really becoming quite isolated and perceived as indifferent to the rest of the non-American world.
The issues here are far too in-depth to really cover thoroughly, but IMO the whole American culture is designed to be deliberately invasive, preferring to indoctrinate of others with their economy, language, entertainment (movies and television), philosophy, politics, business savvy though exploitation by the rich, etc. Even our youngsters are now dressing and speaking like them! They seem as a whole hell-bent to determine the pursuit, not of happiness, but of flexing their considerable political and economic clout over other countries.
Now you, and probablyeven I, may agree or disagree with this kind of generalisations and radical views, but America seems not the only country to now adopting these similar almost xenophobic attitudes.
To answer Alchemy's tout, I myself do think Australia, China, the (ex) Soviets, and the Islamic States (as per your list) also have also started to adopted these views as the undercurrent attitudes of their own society's - becoming unsafe and untrustworthy communities, who as a whole of more selfish, greedy self-absorbed individuals.
I think counties like American and Australia need some real democratic differences to keep the global democracy's and our freedoms fresh, strong and independent.
By not questioning or challenging change in our society, the system just becomes a complacent cul de sac - and it can still suddenly die like the Roman Empire - consumed from the inside by individuals who have nothing too say nor nothing too strive for.

Now stepping of the Soapbox (before I fall off)...
Andrew


* Avatars together that do sound splendid Greek or Roman gods, I think!