Are we it??? - Page 3

avandonk · #41 24-09-2007, 06:50 PM

Two Spotted Pardelotes have decided to make their burrow in my back yard. They are tiny very fast birds. I will try to protect them from predators (cats). They have as much right to life as does all life.

Bert

Sgtfretsurfer · #42 24-09-2007, 08:27 PM

I think that you have raised a really good question alex, and its similar to some that find myself often thinking about.

Why is there anything?

Why is there not just nothing?

Perhaps it’s something that no one will ever know, something that is totally incomprehensible. Its certainly got me curious.

In spite of all our amazing science and technology, it seems to me that we still have no idea. It has given us a lot of theories about the how, but very little about the why. Luckily technology is continually increasing, and our collective body of scientific facts is growing. Who knows, maybe one day we’ll have a breakthrough (like discovering the earth is round!) that will take us one step closer to understanding.

My hope is that one day science will grow to a point where it supports theories which might be discredited at present because there isn’t enough evidence.

But that’s just my two cents

xelasnave · #43 24-09-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avandonk

Two Spotted Pardelotes have decided to make their burrow in my back yard. They are tiny very fast birds. I will try to protect them from predators (cats). They have as much right to life as does all life.

Bert

Good on you Bert, I save a small creature almost every day.a bug that cant get out of the bath tub, a worm that finds itself out on the hot cement..why do they end up there I wonder.. humans show too little respect generally... but please dont hurt the cats.
alex

xelasnave · #44 24-09-2007, 08:46 PM

Matt I found more value in your post than a mere two cents.
Thank you
alex

avandonk · #45 24-09-2007, 09:01 PM

The cats wont feel a thing! I have already eliminated any cat from my backyard by having a Jack Russell dog. The others are simply dead. Domestic cats are not meant to be out at night by law. So any out at night are feral and they are very quickly eliminated. The problem is even more come into their area. They will meet the same fate.

Bert

xelasnave · #46 24-09-2007, 09:11 PM

To quote a wise man...

They have as much right to life as does all life

alex

Dennis · #47 24-09-2007, 10:19 PM

We use our eyes to see, nose to smell, hands to touch, tongue to taste, ears to hear; our feelings to feel; our minds to reason and our intuition to gain insights.

In moments of quietude, I sit and watch my senses sense, my feelings rise and fall, my thoughts come and go and also enjoy those rare insights that reveal wonderful truths.

I marvel that each and every day, this beauty of “being” is mine to enjoy; yet I have not earned it, nor could I procure it, so I try to use it wisely, love it dearly and above all, be humble in the face of such precious gifts; the gifts of life, love and simple being.

And when I fall flat on my face, I pick myself up and carry on, usually the wiser.

Cheers

Dennis

netwolf · #48 24-09-2007, 11:55 PM

I beilve our purpose is to submit to the will of the creator. Would the universe above be as pleaseing to see if it was not subject to some law. Would it no be more chaotic and less orderly if it was not subject to some law. Look at us humans we bend the rules, break our own laws. Today more so than ever the next generation seems to be living for "Me, myself and I", If the Sun and Moon decided to do this i wonder if we would survive. Nature is the example by which we can come to realize that to attain order we must submit to rules and laws. Yet though we gaze and wonder at the beauty of the natural world around us we learn naught from it. We blunder into the me myself and I.
Take the IIS community we stargazers at least have a community that cares for one and other. Perhaps because we realize that the joy is in sharing the wonder of the universe. Sharing the realization that we can create the same wonder by simply helping one and other realize it to.

These are just my unorganized thoughts and reflections on your question. I have spent half my life pondering your question and the other half ignoring the answer.

Regards
Fahim

xelasnave · #49 25-09-2007, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avandonk

The cats wont feel a thing! I have already eliminated any cat from my backyard by having a Jack Russell dog. The others are simply dead. Domestic cats are not meant to be out at night by law. So any out at night are feral and they are very quickly eliminated. The problem is even more come into their area. They will meet the same fate.

Bert

They should micro chip cats.. maybe that is in.
However it is the cat owner that should be brought to heel..
The cats can not help being cats but owners could curb their hunting instincts by keeping them in the house at night ...and cats should all wear bells.
There is a tribe of cats down from here... sheer irresponsible actions on the owners part...there are heaps and they seem to be every where.

My dogs are with me so the cats dont come here and the ducks are still in the neighbours pool ...so all is well.
alex

A Jack Russell eh Bert ..there be no rats with ye I expect.
alex

xelasnave · #50 25-09-2007, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis

We use our eyes to see, nose to smell, hands to touch, tongue to taste, ears to hear; our feelings to feel; our minds to reason and our intuition to gain insights.

In moments of quietude, I sit and watch my senses sense, my feelings rise and fall, my thoughts come and go and also enjoy those rare insights that reveal wonderful truths.

I marvel that each and every day, this beauty of “being” is mine to enjoy; yet I have not earned it, nor could I procure it, so I try to use it wisely, love it dearly and above all, be humble in the face of such precious gifts; the gifts of life, love and simple being.

And when I fall flat on my face, I pick myself up and carry on, usually the wiser.

Cheers

Dennis

Dennis you gotta expect me to ask why you feel so happy

Thats terrific ..that is the way it should be.
However I feel I deserve what I get and as such am able to take the good and the bad. I am somewhat responsible for receiving either one.

Learn from your mistakes and those of others... human history is very benificial.

I must say I feel very happy with everything also... happy to be at peace with myself.
alex

xelasnave · #51 25-09-2007, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by netwolf

I beilve our purpose is to submit to the will of the creator. Would the universe above be as pleaseing to see if it was not subject to some law. Would it no be more chaotic and less orderly if it was not subject to some law. Look at us humans we bend the rules, break our own laws. Today more so than ever the next generation seems to be living for "Me, myself and I", If the Sun and Moon decided to do this i wonder if we would survive. Nature is the example by which we can come to realize that to attain order we must submit to rules and laws. Yet though we gaze and wonder at the beauty of the natural world around us we learn naught from it. We blunder into the me myself and I.
Take the IIS community we stargazers at least have a community that cares for one and other. Perhaps because we realize that the joy is in sharing the wonder of the universe. Sharing the realization that we can create the same wonder by simply helping one and other realize it to.

These are just my unorganized thoughts and reflections on your question. I have spent half my life pondering your question and the other half ignoring the answer.

Regards
Fahim

Hi Fahim..
Your belief certainly gives you the inside track.
Unfortunately..or fortunately most of who/what I am has come to be because of choices I have made over the years..some good ..well lets be positive..all were good. ...for each choice openned a wider world and more varied experiences.
I am into accepting personal responsibility as I can see you indeed are.
We all make a difference and I have noticed your peaceful manner on different occassions and found a reassurance that there be decent folk out there ..ready to demonstrate the benefit of a level life.

Even if random there are laws that govern such... interesting.

Thank you for your input
alex

Dennis · #52 25-09-2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Dennis you gotta expect me to ask why you feel so happy

Thats terrific ..that is the way it should be.
However I feel I deserve what I get and as such am able to take the good and the bad. I am somewhat responsible for receiving either one.

Learn from your mistakes and those of others... human history is very benificial.

I must say I feel very happy with everything also... happy to be at peace with myself.
alex

Hi Alex

Reading your thoughtful and illuminating posts tends to make me happy, as they often focus on those profoundly fascinating topics that are deeper than the (necessary?) day to day survival trivia we are bombarded with, and have to address, in order to live our normal, even mundane lives.

I guess that overall, I am more content than happy, as I am subject to the same ups and downs as everyone else; whether physical, emotional, mental or indeed the lot all at once! My passport to contentment is the ability to observe these cycles in a mostly detached and dispassionate manner, except when my pride, or fear, raise their ugly heads and I come crashing down to earth!

Cheers to you and take care, you seem to have a wise head on your shoulders that is a useful guide through the wonderful maze of life.

Dennis

xelasnave · #53 25-09-2007, 06:56 PM

Not much maze left for me Dennis.
I have wild mood swings but from the inside I just sortta look on rather removed from myself and laugh at what the body can do to you..., because I remember we are rather small in the grand picture of things..
nice words you offer Dennis.
thank you.
alex

xelasnave · #54 25-09-2007, 07:30 PM

Something I do wonder about... on the assumption that this is so... but the way the galaxies line up like buttons on a string... spirals apparently line up with each other this way if we are able to stand back and look.

Given the out flows from spiral centers from where they believe the mythical black holes reside... one could wonder where does this out flow go..they must know ..but I do not..so I speculate upon where it goes.

Is there a passing of material between the spirals? Is it passed in one direction ..if so where does it end up.

When you look at the way galaxies are strung out they look like a giant circulatory system... could the Universe in effect be some larger living thing???

alex

avandonk · #55 26-09-2007, 07:36 PM

Alex we can only try to deduce where we are by looking at the evidence. Of course the universe is a speck on some belly button hair on a very large television and junk food addict.
Having thoughts outside the envelope also requires evidence that is consistent and is capable of being disproved.

I will now stop participating in meaningless arguement until next time! I have far better things to do.

Bert