Sorry to upset you folk. - Page 3

stephenmcnelley · #41 06-02-2007, 10:18 PM

Nice to hear everyone being honest with each other. And we can choose to stay or go as we please if the TOS doesn't fit. Some of the best forums i am a part of (6 in all) have matured to the point where self moderation is a member responsibility in act, and we are talking thousands of aussie members for the two i am talking about. It can be done but it takes time and maturity.

GrahamL · #42 06-02-2007, 10:22 PM

Was looking forward to catching up sometime alex.. keep in touch the ..interaction of other like minded folk is way bigger than a post deletion on the odd message board .

74tuc · #43 06-02-2007, 10:27 PM

Re: 'free speech'

Idon't want freedom of speech. I want freedom AFTER speech.

Jerry.

fringe_dweller · #44 06-02-2007, 10:35 PM

what i found offensive is Alex started a thread of an unbelievably sensitive (EDIT: and polarising) nature and was devolving extrordaniraly fast into another boring 'hang 'em high', 'i'm more hardass than you are' 'bring back capitol punishment' 'cut his ..... off' and provide a platform for nasty macho front bar bloodthirsty mob blah blah kneejerk reaction competition, stuff i am frankly suicidely bored of - on a subject that has had more press and discussion than just about anything I can think of in history, just check your letters to the editors in your local rag if you cant get enuff of this topic!?
officially taboo and suppressed things that dont get much media support/coverage like ID ect. are fair game - and like Bert says, things that actually have a connection to what this forum is remotely about, even tenuously

i am sorry Alex, but being an ex legal type you would know well know the term 'vexatious litigant'? even i know my rant quota and when i have exceeded it

okiscopey (Mike) · #45 06-02-2007, 11:41 PM

Alexander .. what the heck!?!

I haven't been around here long and so far haven't met you or any other poster in person, but I really look forward to the news and views from everyone who contributes - yours included.

It's right for you to say what you think, it's right for the moderators to zap stuff they believe will get out of hand, but I'm not sure it's right for you to leave!

The place won't be quite the same without you.

Please reconsider!

Ric · #46 06-02-2007, 11:47 PM

Hi Alex, no offence was taken.
I hope you reconsider and stay, I enjoy your points of view.

Cheers mate

bloodhound31 · #47 07-02-2007, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argonavis

if they are offended ... stiff

get back here alex and stop being so damn precious

Argonavis I totally agree. My background brings to mind something drilled into me from a very young age.....HARDEN UP POOPSIES! Dry your eyes, wanna hug? My gosh, the human race seems to be devolving into a blubbering bunch of pansies every time someone says boo!

I won't say sorry cos it really gets my goat! If you don't like what someone else thinks and says, then nick off and go cry to someone who cares. An thats not gonna be me.

Opinionated and don't care what anyone thinks of me. Like me or not.

Sheesh! no wonder there are still wars and pointless slaughter. Overblown reactions to trivial crap.

Baz.

fringe_dweller · #48 07-02-2007, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodhound31

Argonavis I totally agree. My background brings to mind something drilled into me from a very young age.....HARDEN UP POOPSIES! Dry your eyes, wanna hug? My gosh, the human race seems to be devolving into a blubbering bunch of pansies every time someone says boo!

I won't say sorry cos it really gets my goat! If you don't like what someone else thinks and says, then nick off and go cry to someone who cares. An thats not gonna be me.

Opinionated and don't care what anyone thinks of me. Like me or not.

Sheesh! no wonder there are still wars and pointless slaughter. Overblown reactions to trivial crap.

Baz.

I give in - you win rant of the day!

bloodhound31 · #49 07-02-2007, 12:18 AM

End of fire mission. Out.

johnno · #50 07-02-2007, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lester

Alex, I have never found your posts offencesive. Although some of your views are different, I found you put them in a pleasant way.

However I will say there are some other so and so's on here that aught to be silenced with their continual put down of others. The moderation on here is strong and that is good, but I cannot understand why some of the others are not stopped.

This is why I hardly post on here any more.

All the best to you Alex.

Yes,
This is why I hardly post on here anymore Either.

ALEX,you should feel Honoured to have so much support,

If it was me,
or some of the other "Not so well Known's"
who posted something similar,

We, would have hardly gotten a response at all,

OR,Perhaps a shrug from a moderator.

I used to love being a member of this forum,
Now, I just browse,and no longer post.

WAAAY,WAAAY,too "CLIQUEY" for me.

TidaLpHasE · #51 07-02-2007, 04:28 AM

Alex, your post was an opinion or view you held, i didn't agree with your views and replied so with my own.

That's what is being lost in this country at an all time high, the freedom to voice your opinion and debate the pro's and con's of it with others, political correctness has gone mad everyway you turn.

If at a star camp or astro get together, are all topics of conversation related to the stars? or is it a mix of the current dilema's we may face in our lives?

I understand this is an astro forum, but as a community of varied peoples and ideals, interests and views, surely we can raise some of those thoughts in general chat without the "it's a gang up on the U.S. thread" i'm pressing delete?

Alex, your post did not offend me at all, it just provoked a response from me and a point of view that was different to yours, and as Mike said, it was deleted because the U.S. was being bagged, like in my post, and lets be real people, even if you have heard enough of the Hicks case and you gotta run ot and read the local letters to the editor, it is a joke that he is still in a cell, without charges and without the evidence to charge.

Gee next they will be banning santa from kinda as not to upset the minority groups, oh thats right they already have.

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styleman333 · #52 07-02-2007, 07:13 AM

Yeah , i agree with what they all say , thats the beauty of living in a democracy , we are all entitled to our beliefs and its interesting to hear views that are different and sit and think about it . I can understand where mikes going , he is right , it is a astronomy forum

Gee i dont know , i always find your posts extremely interesting and as the rest say , never offensive

OneOfOne (Trevor) · #53 07-02-2007, 07:45 AM

Sorry to see you go...must have missed something. I wish you well and hope you have a rethink.

As for censorship on this forum, whilst it would be nice to be able to run a forum without the need for moderation there are always people who like to push the envelope some times. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the typed word it is very easy to take something the "wrong way" and offense may be taken by some where none was originally meant. As others have said, at a camp not all conversation is "on topic" either, but the benefit of face to face contact allows the, sometimes subtle, nuances of personal contact to remove offense that may be created had the same conversation been carried out using the forum. Just as two people can read read the same email and one is "put off" by it while the other one can't see anything to get you nickers in a knot over.

I can recall some posts which became rather heated and had declined into a lot of personal name calling and offense...in an astronomy related thread! The culprits were warned and ultimately they appear to have moved on. Without any censorship, we would risk having threads hijacked by such people, creating tension and ill feeling.

I support Mike and the moderators in their task and hope they keep up the good work.

Dujon · #54 07-02-2007, 11:37 AM

G'day, Alex.

Before you go walkabout I would ask that you read through all the above posts. Then, over a billy of tea (or something stronger if you're that way inclined), have a think about what's happened. Look up at the stars if clouds permit and listen to the crickets, the possums and the other nocturnal noises. I know you love the bush and the fact that it enables you to collect your thoughts into some form of logical framework. What does one spat on a forum mean in that context? As you full well know the answer is 'nothing'.

Alex, I haven't seen the post you made or any of the replies to it. Maybe you were wrong in starting the thread, maybe you were not; I'm not in a position to comment never mind make judgements.

By your own admission, mate (if you will allow me to use that honorific), you have brought some different ideas to this forum. As you can see from earlier posts many members appreciate that fact; it gets them thinking 'outside the square'. "Them" by the way includes myself.

Please reconsider your decision.

xelasnave · #55 07-02-2007, 12:36 PM

This is such a wonderful place one can’t keep away. I came back to see if my apology was still posted. I read the many comments and would like to make a statement. Firstly it does upset me to think I annoy other people as I see such as a failing on my part not theirs. Secondly I have no illusions that for what ever reason I tend to have an “in your face” approach which is not what I expect from myself. I don’t like it in others so perhaps that is why I see it as a major flaw of my character. I can see how others see me in that context and if I was working with the impressions they have to work with could not think any different to the way I suspect they think.
I am concerned that I have generated a view from some that I am critical of the moderators striking my posts and say that is not the case. Certainly the approach taken with the David Hicks post was to focus attention on a problem which the very last post deleted sought to point out that not dealing with the problem was simply one that could be laid at the feet of lawyers not the Government of the USA or Australia.. I went out on a limb to make the point and the limb was cut but I see it that the action by the moderators was the correct one. That was no one else’s fault but mine and it saddens me that I have caused some to blame the moderators. It is not their fault it is mine. The rules of the forum are clear and yet knowing the rules I raised a matter that was highly political (I was however trying to show that the politics was not the problem but the law needed to act faster so feelings of injustice could not remain in our community) the post was confrontational, divisive but above all outside the mission statement of this place. It deserved to go so please everyone see it that way.
The problem is not that of the moderators and they have my support. My only objection to their management is minor in that the rules indicate a warning will issue before action. However the rules are clear and if I had kept within the rules there would have been no problem. I would like a warning for once warned I can realize that I am being carried away with the joy of discussing something.
It is my fault as I clearly was pushing my luck by deliberately breaking the rules.
I am not withdrawing for reasons other than I must recognize I am unable to help myself determine what is offensive and what is not and how my breaking the rules is different to someone else breaking the rules. But I say talking about foot ball may not be astronomy related but is fair general chat whereas presenting matters where our leaders could do it better is not. It is my problem that I don’t see the difference..Its all just chat to me.
I said once that if you hit me in the head with a brick I am more concerned about what problems caused you to do so than my injury and as strange as that must seem to many that are the way I approach life. I care too much but it comes over that I don’t care at all.
I support the moderators and I support the rules but the reality for me is I can not help but ignore them. This is a personal problem not one the moderators need be concerned with and believe me, looking at my reaction to withdraw probably looks like a dummy spit and part of it could be, I ask myself that but cant get a straight answer. I don’t trust other people but I don’t trust myself to face truths either. But my main concern was when I thought it was not finally a dummy spit, even if that could be linked.. My intention not to upset people and I realize I do… that was the reality I was seeking to address.
So it upsets me to see people thinking the moderators acted unfairly... I say they did not I was to blame and I ask all that have offered their support to remember that... anything else is a falsehood.
People say if you have upset people so what but no one needs to be upset by someone breaking the rules.
AND working on the basis that part of my motivation was indeed a dummy spit and being a big baby I will start over , I can learn from my mistakes I know what my problem is it upset me that no matter how hard I work on being better I fall down. That’s why I wanted to hide...but that is not being a man...
So please take it after the dust has settled what I bring upon myself lays at my feet.
If I post in the future and I step over the line I would ask you to tell me as your feelings are very important to me...not what you think of me and my approach to life but how my statements may upset you.
On the positive one learns from their mistakes so if anyone thinks I have a self opinion that I know everything remember it is because I believe I have made more mistakes than the rest of you. I don’t mean to sound like I know everything please see it as a matter that I believe that I speak the truth and am honest in delivering my feelings to you I would not say something if I thought it was not true so please understand I am not saying I am right just that I believe in what I am saying.
I thank you all for helping me grow up

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AND Mike overreaction can not be viewed from the outside because one can not account for what that person is reacting to … most of my over reaction was to myself not the moderation which again I support.. But I accept your observation that I have over reacted.
If you want to know how I really feel do not hesitate to ask but I don’t think I can be more open with any of you.
Having logged in I see I have messages but I will post this first.
alex

Outbackmanyep · #56 07-02-2007, 12:40 PM

Alex.....we live in a democratic society......you're allowed to voice your opinions......thats why our relatives and ancestors fought 2 world wars, to earn this freedom.....i personally didnt read the thread you posted but from what i gather from what others have said you arent alone in what you've said.....
The world is too small and life is too short to walk away from people who know you and people that listen to your posts......

You do what you want to do.....but i reckon everyone here would welcome you back WHEN you post again....
Cheers!

ving (David) · #57 07-02-2007, 01:00 PM

hi alex

wb

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #58 07-02-2007, 01:06 PM

Alex,
I'm happy you're staying.

huckabuck · #59 07-02-2007, 01:20 PM

atta boy alex

TidaLpHasE · #60 07-02-2007, 01:20 PM

Alex, i see that you are an emotional type of person, this is a good thing, it seperates the living from the mundane as i see it.

I see some threads in clear breach of the rules, yet as they are posted by certain people they stay without even a warning, it's the double standards of the forum moderation that has been the problem here for some time.

Your post was over the top in your presentation of your views, but that could have been explained and discussed in the thread as it went on, i just don't see it as the big deal it has been made out to be.

I wish you could see the support you have and dont be so hard on yourself.

As an example, i placed a thread in the for sale forum, and had it hijacked from another member quoteing to me the forum rules when in breach of them himself by psting in my thread.

There was no moderation and it was up to me to re-quote the forum rules to him regarding posting in peoples for sale threads.

And yet just the other day i saw in another for sale thread, a moderator post in the thread warning to stick by the rules and keep the thread on topic, as i say it's the double standards that make it unfair that posts are picked and choosed if deleted or not.

So i suppose that has just about convinced me.