Who is still using FarceBook??

[AndrewJ]

Gday Ron

Another Phishing expedition Andrew ?

Nope, just stunned that they could knowingly sell that sort of info to as many different entities as they have, without repercussions, and without it being noticed.

If you think this is useful or good, you are off with the faeries.
Andrew

[AndyG (Andy)]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

...Nope, just stunned that they could knowingly sell that sort of info to as many different entities as they have, without repercussions, and without it being noticed...
Andrew

Does anyone remember how Telstra were being fined by the ACCC $Millions, due to their uncompetitive wholesale pricing on DSL to resellers a few years back? They paid the fines happily, as the max fine was less than the profit from the "crime".


I suspect this is the same. The rules haven't adapted or evolved to cause appreciable harm to the operation. So, they push harder...

[alan meehan (Alan)]

Well if the Russians or the chinese are listning in to our conversation on here they just learnt that we astronomers are a argumentive lot

[Kal (Andrew)]

Disabled fakebook last year. Reactivated it when they allowed you to download all your data, which I did (was an 800mb file) and then I disabled it again.

Originally Posted by dpastern

Pretty sure that Facebook sends all your data to the C of I of A too.

They don't need to send it to the CIA, the NSA just takes and processes all the data, including your private messages *cough* XKeyscore *cough*

[Hans Tucker (Hans)]

Originally Posted by dpastern

Wanna keep in touch with family on the other side of the world? Send them an email or write them a letter or call them.

Great advice if you have contact details. FB, through the RAAFies where are they now and RAAF Instrument Fitters groups allowed me to be reacquainted with members from my recruits and Instrument Trade courses whom I lost contact over the years.

People like you rightfully highlight the breach of trust by FB but the same can be said about banks, telco's and other companies that give away, or should I say sell, your personal information to the highest bidder.

[Imme (Jon)]

Talking of dodgy things....haa anyone seen the ad on the iis landing page from 'prizesworld'

......hmmmmm

[multiweb (Marc)]

A lot of elderly people use Facebook or Skype to keep in touch with relatives sometime O/S. There was a lady talking recently on a tech segment on SBS about the Google Home device. I hate these things with a vengeance, reminds me of 1984, but she made a valid point. Her mum has alzheimer's and is over 90. A very lonely existence. She got her one of these and it's doing the job. She talks to it, the device responds. It's an interaction that brightens her day a little. Who knows maybe homecare in the future might be automated with machines and they might be better for it hearing the stories in the news right now.

[AndrewJ]

Gday Marc
The Japanese already have "assistance" robots going into old folks homes, and i have no problem with that, as long as the data stays local to who needs it.

but the same can be said about banks, telco's and other companies

My biggest concern in starting the thread was how brazenly FB were in selling "linked" data to major manufacturers, esp in China ( given the current world situation ).
ie how an innocent person can be swept into their net via links from someone else. Just look at the recent exposure that FB were using facial recognition techniques on posted photos to try and link people together, even if they werent actually named in the source post.
Your typical bank/telco cant do that sort of thing at the scale FB can.


Andrew

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

My biggest concern in starting the thread was how brazenly FB were in selling "linked" data to major manufacturers, esp in China ( given the current world situation ).

China has had their own social network platform running for a number of years controlled by the state. My understanding is that Zuckerberg has been trying to crack into the chinese market and approached them saying "ok, what do you want from us to get in?". The problem is not the technology. It is making individuals like him accountable.

[OICURMT]

I've never used Facebook, but the missus does, sparingly and with a limited number of "friends"... mainly family.

Originally Posted by FlashDrive

I'm nearly out of Pop Corn ....

This thread is supporting my recent view...

Originally Posted by OICURMT

My poke at Aussies was a bit tongue in cheek, as I notice there is a trend toward a less tolerance on almost any subject here on IIS... just wondering if IIS is becoming the new FaceBook for Amateur Astronomers.

[Nikolas (Nik)]

There are quite a few wankers, I mean fellow IIS people who use facebook
I ask again what particular data is sold off to these insidious organisations? My bad dad jokes or those horrible cat memes? of my affiliation with the Collingwood football club, busting to know how this will compromise anything?
Please someone with any ounce of REAL knowledge not Murdoch inspired knowledge or Wikipedia please let me know how this data will be used?

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

I ask again what particular data is sold off to these insidious organisations? ...
Please someone with any ounce of REAL knowledge not Murdoch inspired knowledge or Wikipedia please let me know how this data will be used?

This is exactly where machine learning and modelling shine. By parsing a huge amount of data, which FB and any other online service collected over years, it is possible to prepare the data in a format that can be fed into an series of algorithm that will isolate trends, fit your profile within certain categories, learn about what you like or dislike, even model your future needs, provided your digital footprint is diverse enough which probably is if you have been online for over a decade like the rest of us. From there it is very lucrative to sell this "data" to commercial entities to better target markets and geographical locations. A very simple example is spotify. Because they already know by whom and where their app is used and its frequency they can approach big music labels to tell them where they should plan their touring bands to go saving money in transport and maximising sales.

[Imme (Jon)]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

There are quite a few wankers, I mean fellow IIS people who use facebook
I ask again what particular data is sold off to these insidious organisations? My bad dad jokes or those horrible cat memes? of my affiliation with the Collingwood football club, busting to know how this will compromise anything?
Please someone with any ounce of REAL knowledge not Murdoch inspired knowledge or Wikipedia please let me know how this data will be used?

My understanding....from being involved in seminars in which the data miners try and on sell there product as a marketing tool is -

1. They build a profile of you. What you buy, what you search for, kids, married, etc......this allows them, to direct market products to people who are more than likely looking for them.
2. They track you (a bit 1984 I know).....McDonalds Wifi is the example I was given. If I sign up to maccas wifi in town A and then travel through towns B, C & D on my way to my destination then as I pass Maccas store it logs my passing. This allows them to develop travel habits on me.

In Japan the above 2 x pieces of data are used on a daily basis, multiple times per day on every individual with a wifi connected device.
How you ask.....I walk down the street and the data miner has a picture of who I am. Lets say I'm an adult male who has recently searched for a new telescope online. Lets also say I'm a couple blocks away from Bintel......the data miner, who Bintel uses for publicity) makes the connection and shoots me a notification/text saying something along the lines of "special offer for you Jon, 10% off telescopes at Bintel for the next hour".
People like Boost Juice use this as a sales tactic in Asian countries all the time....basically anyone who fits the mold of a boost juice customer gets sent a special offer when they are within 200m of an outlet.......obviously they only do this in quiet times to drum up business, in busy times they don't


Story for you - I recently had a "Buy Cloth Nappies" ad come up on the side of a gumtree screen....no idea why as I am well and truly passed having kids. Wasn't until a few days later that I heard my partners friend talking about cloth nappies.......I realized then that my partner had used my phone the weekend before when we were out to lunch with her friend to do some research on nappies for her upcoming baby. Pure and simple example of someone mining data from my device and direct marketing to me.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Imme

People like Boost Juice use this as a sales tactic in Asian countries all the time....basically anyone who fits the mold of a boost juice customer gets sent a special offer when they are within 200m of an outlet.......obviously they only do this in quiet times to drum up business, in busy times they don't

I'd say they probably sell, oops sorry, "share" their own collected data as well. How can you possibly build a multi-million dollar franchise selling fruit juice alone.

[billdan (Bill)]

The problem with Facebook and other social media type software is, we are relying on the software to be bug free and not backfire on us.

Today the ABC is reporting that facebook had a software bug that changed users sending private messages to be sent out as public messages.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-0...ttings/9848150

Not good.

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

I've never had my ' Bluetooth ' or WiFi turned on my Mobile at all when I go out.....let alone even at home.

Lets my battery last a lot longer between charges....

Col...

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Imme

Story for you - I recently had a "Buy Cloth Nappies" ad come up on the side of a gumtree screen....no idea why as I am well and truly passed having kids. Wasn't until a few days later that I heard my partners friend talking about cloth nappies.......I realized then that my partner had used my phone the weekend before when we were out to lunch with her friend to do some research on nappies for her upcoming baby. Pure and simple example of someone mining data from my device and direct marketing to me.

Actually this is simple standard syndication. Your partner likely used Google to search. Your phone ID or IP was picked up then targeted ads filled in the generic containers (adwords) on gumtree. Similarly any page you visit that has a "like Us" widget or any FB feed will collect what you do on the site and as long as cookies are not cleared what you do on other websites when you navigate away until you close your browser (unless you have a "remember me" setting somewhere and save your pwds so you don't have to type them again).

[Wavytone]

Originally Posted by billdan

facebook had a software bug that changed users sending private messages to be sent out as public messages.

In software parlance that’s not a bug - it’s an “Undocumented feature”, and I would be quite certain it was deliberate on the part of the software engineers. Things like that aren’t accidental.

The notion of Facebook respecting privacy - let alone be a secure - is a joke - their whole business model is based on giving all your details to anybody who wants it - and without your permission.

If you don’t like that, don’t use it.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by Kal

Disabled fakebook last year. Reactivated it when they allowed you to download all your data, which I did (was an 800mb file) and then I disabled it again.






They don't need to send it to the CIA, the NSA just takes and processes all the data, including your private messages *cough* XKeyscore *cough*

Yes, I'm aware of this too. I guarantee every bit of data entering and leaving the country is being datamined by carnivore type software searching for specific keywords.

Why do you think the LNP is trying to introduce legislation to crack encrypted data? And, they're refusing to admit how they're doing so. Do some of these people think that big US companies like Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco etc won't provide back doors to the US government at the drop of a whim?

I have nothing to hide, but I value my privacy nevertheless. And a government that snoops on you at this level, and uses tools like Facebook, is just plain morally wrong. They can make all the laws that they like, it's still WRONG. They can make all the supposed justifications that they want (terrorists, etc) and they are still WRONG. MOST people are too bloody well stupid to really realise what's going on - governments want to know everything that you, as an individual do. It makes you easier to control. Some interesting reading on the subject:

https://www.networkworld.com/article...s-illegal.html

society has gone to the dogs anyway, i give us 50 years tops. The extinction of the human species will be the very best thing for this planet and every other species on it. I say that with no regrets.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by Hans Tucker

People like you rightfully highlight the breach of trust by FB but the same can be said about banks, telco's and other companies that give away, or should I say sell, your personal information to the highest bidder.

This is because the government(s) snoop on all the information that these organisations collect illicitly. The government isn't going to cut off its nose to spite it's face, and it will never punish these organisations.

edit: The banking royal commission is rather interesting - how many major banks now are being done for major illegal activities? ANZ for illegal cartels...CBA for laundering and other illegal processes...yet the current LNP government fought tooth and nail to not have a royal commission...I wonder why?