39% of Australians said No

[xelasnave]

From the link......
The Family Court of Australia attacks were a series of justifiable and bombings in New South Wales, Australia from 1980 to 1985. They were targeted at judges, and other people, associated with the Family Court of Australia. In the attacks two people were shot dead, two killed by bombs, a court building was damaged by a bomb, and another bomb was found attached to a motor vehicle. In late July 2015 a man was arrested and charged over the attacks.

That bomb went off at the Parramatta court directly under where I worked I was on holiday but can you imagine the fear that leaves you with.
And bomb threats became routine with evacuations so often I can't remember the number.
ROM you are backing the wrong horse.
Alex

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fami...tralia_attacks
I thought I would post the above link so folk may know the facts about the attacks and killings of family court judges and family members.
Someone has edited the entry one day ago.
The entry reads that the killings were justified.
A sad mistake or deliberate evil.
Alex

The family court and its minions have caused massive destruction in our society. Men have been marginalised and this system has allowed one party in a marriage to eliminate the other without any recourse. If it was fairly proportioned law, then it would be different, but its NOT. A woman can walk in t the court and nail a completely normal person to the wall, without justification, and that system allows it to happen. I've seen a LOT of men suffer terribly for no reason, isolated from their children and stripped of their assets and rights by vindictive women. Its a corrupt and, thus far, unaccountable system. It is also an adversarial system in which one party has their arms tied behind their backs.

I remember the killings of those so called "judges" myself and wondered what would drive someone to do such a thing at the time. Now, I understand very much why they happened and have very little sympathy for the "judges" involved.... Extreme duress sometimes results in an extreme response.... but that's off topic.

My point was that people give up their basic rights without fighting back. History shows that once surrendered, getting back those rights often comes with a hefty price tag. We are experiencing a classic case of frogs being slowly broiled and most people are to naive to do anything about it...

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

The family court and its minions have caused massive destruction in our society. Men have been marginalised and this system has allowed one party in a marriage to eliminate the other without any recourse. If it was fairly proportioned law, then it would be different, but its NOT. A woman can walk in t the court and nail a completely normal person to the wall, without justification, and that system allows it to happen. I've seen a LOT of men suffer terribly for no reason, isolated from their children and stripped of their assets and rights by vindictive women. Its a corrupt and, thus far, unaccountable system. It is also an adversarial system in which one party has their arms tied behind their backs.

I remember the killings of those so called "judges" myself and wondered what would drive someone to do such a thing at the time. Now, I understand very much why they happened and have very little sympathy for the "judges" involved.... Extreme duress sometimes results in an extreme response.... but that's off topic.

My point was that people give up their basic rights without fighting back. History shows that once surrendered, getting back those rights often comes with a hefty price tag. We are experiencing a classic case of frogs being slowly broiled and most people are to naive to do anything about it...

You wouldn't be on your own in having friends that went through hell there. I have a few mates that have been well and truly ****ed by the family court.
The worst case is a mate on a six figure salary. He now lives in a single bedroom apartment with no hope of ever buying a home again. He stays home most weekends, as the court was so one sided, he can't even afford to go out much.
His ex wife now lives in his 4 bedroom house on 5 acres, and he pays for all of it. He sees his kids once a fortnight.
It in no way justifies retribution against the judges, but put yourself in the shoes of one of these guys who has had his life ruined, and you'll understand what drove them to it.

[Stonius (Markus)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

The family court and its minions have caused massive destruction in our society. Men have been marginalised and this system has allowed one party in a marriage to eliminate the other without any recourse. If it was fairly proportioned law, then it would be different, but its NOT. A woman can walk in t the court and nail a completely normal person to the wall, without justification, and that system allows it to happen. I've seen a LOT of men suffer terribly for no reason, isolated from their children and stripped of their assets and rights by vindictive women. Its a corrupt and, thus far, unaccountable system. It is also an adversarial system in which one party has their arms tied behind their backs.

I remember the killings of those so called "judges" myself and wondered what would drive someone to do such a thing at the time. Now, I understand very much why they happened and have very little sympathy for the "judges" involved.... Extreme duress sometimes results in an extreme response.... but that's off topic.

My point was that people give up their basic rights without fighting back. History shows that once surrendered, getting back those rights often comes with a hefty price tag. We are experiencing a classic case of frogs being slowly broiled and most people are to naive to do anything about it...

My ex was diddling the figures regarding custody percentages. It was her word against mine until I provided documentary evidence. They ruled in my favor. Different people have different experiences. The thing that worries me most on this thread is the idea that if you make a man angry and he then goes and kills someone (a judge / their own children) that murder is justified, or at least, somehow not their fault. If a man gets so angry that he kills someone, it's because he didn't have the emotional continence to manage his own emotions, not because the other person 'made him angry'.

Markus

[xelasnave]

So called judges???
Brilliant men each one of them.
I find your position that killing can be somehow justified surprising.
Some folk only respect a decision if it is in their favour and I say those are the folk who are a threat to all of us.
One chap upset with an order had a bulldozer flatten his house leaving his wife and four girls homeless..of course he was right.
What a fool.
Who would do that to his daughters.
I will tell you. A bully who was put in his place by a family court judge and such a dirt bag could not see the judge was only trying to protect his family from his aggressive bullying.
Rom I suspect you have had an unpleasant experience via the family court or someone close to you has but let me tell you from my personal experience the family court took us from a terrible situation to a much better one.
The law was never the problem the problem always was the ancient attitude in some men that their families were personal property.
If you did not get a fair go don't blame the court look to your lawyer.
Unfortunately we have one death a week in this country caused by men not able to realise they can't own another human.
Alex

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

So called judges???
Brilliant men each one of them.

In my experience, myopic, precedent driven and out of touch at best. Incompetent and sexist at worst.

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I find your position that killing can be somehow justified surprising.

I didn't say that. I said I understand why it happened. People react differently under extreme duress. Some fight back and that is a fact.

Originally Posted by xenaslave

Some folk only respect a decision if it is in their favour and I say those are the folk who are a threat to all of us.
One chap upset with an order had a bulldozer flatten his house leaving his wife and four girls homeless..of course he was right.
What a fool.
Who would do that to his daughters.
I will tell you. A bully who was put in his place by a family court judge and such a dirt bag could not see the judge was only trying to protect his family from his aggressive bullying.

I agree but that does not justify a system that allows a woman to rèmove a man from his life and his children without just cause. There are scumbag men out there and they deserve what they get but there are a lot more men in the ground because of a broken heart than there are dead women I suspect.

What exists is a fundamentally failed system. Our society is a testimony to that fact. I work with many very damaged children and the common thread is aissing dad and a mother who acts attrociously.

Originally Posted by xanaslav

Rom I suspect you have had an unpleasant experience via the family court or someone close to you has but let me tell you from my personal experience the family court took us from a terrible situation to a much better one.
The law was never the problem the problem always was the ancient attitude in some men that their families were personal property.
If you did not get a fair go don't blame the court look to your lawyer.
Unfortunately we have one death a week in this country caused by men not able to realise they can't own another human.
Alex

One attrocity does not justify another for either gender, legal or not! We have a system in place that has caused massive damage to our society; a system that destroys lives without recourse or equal representation.

It's an example I used to point out that a government can take your life for no other reason that it's own socio political agenda. I also raised the issue of inequity of penalties imposed on sexual predators. With luck Derringer Hinch will get his senate inquiry, but I doubt it. Two many vested interests want to maintain a corrupt systems that makes lawyers fat, fathers dead and children devastated.

We should stay on topic.

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

So called judges???
Brilliant men each one of them.

Brilliant if you are a wife trying to ruin your husband's life during the divorce...

[LewisM]

I like how Rom kept changing Alex's name...Xenaslave works best

[xelasnave]

We should stay on topic.
I have had my share of relationship break ups.
Once I would have said that it was the other party who was in the wrong and that I had acted perfectly.
Fortunately maturity switched on wisdom and I can now say it was I who was 100% in the wrong.
I did have the sence to avoid lawyers and had no problems with custody, access, maintenance or property.
Alex

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by LewisM

I like how Rom kept changing Alex's name...Xenaslave works best

Profuse apologies for that. Had to switch to mobile phone, no specs and low light.. Sorry Alex

[LewisM]

Oh SURE Rom

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by AussieTrooper

Brilliant if you are a wife trying to ruin your husband's life during the divorce...

Well I had the personal experience of meeting and working with these men.
I know how brilliant they are from personal observation.
It is easy to sprout about stuff if you don't know facts but perhaps not helpful in presenting reality.
Many men think once they tire of a relationship they can up stakes take the money and the kids and replace the partner they have grown tired of, if you think that's OK you lack wisdom.
A mate thought his wife was terrible because she ran of with a work mate. He could not understand how after 7 years of drunkeness and drug abuses and abusing her could have made her leave.
She was terrible because she did not want him to see the kids when he was drunk and high and she wanted half the house she paid for...now he can't hold down a job, her fault not his behaviour and he lives in a van because she made him sell his house.
Loser like so many others who blame everyone but themselves.
From so many of the cases I saw go thru I would not have given access to the father ever and yet judges did if anything they accommodated many who should have been locked up.
But all who think I am wrong did not have the benefit of seeing this stuff day in and day out and therefore able to form views unrelated to reality.
If someone blames another for their situation I call them a loser.
Its all about accepting personal responsibility if someone does not...loser loser loser.
Alex

[Kunama]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

well i had the personal experience of meeting and working with these men.
I know how brilliant they are from personal observation.
It is easy to sprout about stuff if you don't know facts but perhaps not helpful in presenting reality.
Many men think once they tire of a relationship they can up stakes take the money and the kids and replace the partner they have grown tired of, if you think that's ok you lack wisdom.
A mate thought his wife was terrible because she ran of with a work mate. He could not understand how after 7 years of drunkeness and drug abuses and abusing her could have made her leave.
She was terrible because she did not want him to see the kids when he was drunk and high and she wanted half the house she paid for...now he can't hold down a job, her fault not his behaviour and he lives in a van because she made him sell his house.
Loser like so many others who blame everyone but themselves.
From so many of the cases i saw go thru i would not have given access to the father ever and yet judges did if anything they accommodated many who should have been locked up.
But all who think i am wrong did not have the benefit of seeing this stuff day in and day out and therefore able to form views unrelated to reality.
If someone blames another for their situation i call them a loser.
Its all about accepting personal responsibility if someone does not...loser loser loser.
Alex

+1

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by el_draco

Profuse apologies for that. Had to switch to mobile phone, no specs and low light.. Sorry Alex

No worries that stuff does never worry me and I can't be insulted so I don't take offence.

I am not emotional really but find few can approach relationship matters without carrying baggage.

So many men are not confident and think females are evil. Few are I have only ever met one and I think child abuses did that for her.
Even the nutter who stalked me was not evil again child abuses helped her be who she was.
A held compassion for both these people because ultimately they were victims.
And both mothers of my children are perfect people I will do everything I can for each of them rather than unrealistically blame them for being mature when I could not.
Alex

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by LewisM

Oh SURE Rom

Well, for the record, I was having a massive immune response to something and the only relief I can get is a red hot bath with double scotch...

Now don'tcha just feel BAD

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Many men think once they tire of a relationship they can up stakes take the money and the kids and replace the partner they have grown tired of, if you think that's OK you lack wisdom.
A mate thought his wife was terrible because she ran of with a work mate. He could not understand how after 7 years of drunkeness and drug abuses and abusing her could have made her leave.
She was terrible because she did not want him to see the kids when he was drunk and high and she wanted half the house she paid for...now he can't hold down a job, her fault not his behaviour and he lives in a van because she made him sell his house.
Loser like so many others who blame everyone but themselves.
From so many of the cases I saw go thru I would not have given access to the father ever and yet judges did if anything they accommodated many who should have been locked up.
But all who think I am wrong did not have the benefit of seeing this stuff day in and day out and therefore able to form views unrelated to reality.
If someone blames another for their situation I call them a loser.
Its all about accepting personal responsibility if someone does not...loser loser loser.
Alex

I agree with this bit but the same applies to many women I am afraid to say and many men have lost everything because of the actions of a vindictive spouse. WE MEN are generally good people but there are scumbags out there and the same applies to females.

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by Kunama

Having worked in witness protection on the operation that followed these bombings I find it hard to understand someone stating that they " have little sympathy for the judges involved" ... I saw first hand the effects of these attacks so find this throwaway line, in effect condoning what occurred, to be a rather ignorant rant by a very bitter person.......

I have a number of dead friends. One of the last things one of them said to me was, "If you want justice, don't look to the courts". I've seen first hand the effects of the rulings by this "court" and and they are no less devastating on some of the victims.

For the record, I am not even remotely bitter. I used the example of this court to point out that, given a free hand, a government and its agencies will do whatever they choose to whom ever they want.

[AndrewJ]

And just to try and get it back on course as to why you shouldnt trust governments with any of your data.
Its interesting that this is only now now leaking out to the public.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...26d_story.html
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/08/ye...obably-hacked/

And Malcolm is 100% sure nothing happened last week ????

Andrew

[xelasnave]

I am always suspicious when our attention is emotionally focused on anything emotive.
It is the news hidden on page five that often we should be looking at...

So what is the left hand doing whilst we are mesmerised by that action of the right????

What are they up to whilst attention is upon the census?

Working into the night on a 15% GST I bet.

Alex

[el_draco (Rom)]

You males out there might want to have a read: http://www.dadsontheair.com.au/menandthemedia/