guns and the US Republican Convention

[casstony]

Originally Posted by el_draco

So what on earth and in the heavens above would make any sane person contemplate Trump as a leader?:

My theory: as economic conditions worsen a population will vote for more outlandish leaders in a struggle to find something different to the status quo. They know what they've got isn't working but they don't why or how to fix it. The French figured it out a couple hundred years ago.

[AndrewJ]

Gday Tony

as economic conditions worsen a population will vote for more outlandish leaders in a struggle to find something different to the status quo.

I suspect that also requires the condition that those at the top are not suffering with the rest, and are not respected.
I like how our "just scraped in" pollies are already back talking about how they have mandates again :-( They just dont learn.
What i want is a ballot paper where i can say "no one is suitable", and its a valid vote. If that wins, then they go back and change their ideas.
Not going to happen any time soon tho.

Andrew

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by casstony

My theory: as economic conditions worsen a population will vote for more outlandish leaders in a struggle to find something different to the status quo. They know what they've got isn't working but they don't why or how to fix it. The French figured it out a couple hundred years ago.

Ah..., the good ol' days. I wonder if the same threat would inspire a little constructive thinking...

[wasyoungonce (Brendan)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

So what on earth and in the heavens above would make any sane person contemplate Trump as a leader? ....

I don't know I mean....after all Pauline Hanson's one nation scored over half a million senate votes last election.

Also check out some of the other "whako" party votes... Fish and chips anyone?

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by el_draco

So what on earth and in the heavens above would make any sane person contemplate Trump as a leader?

A corrupt and manipulative media...
As bad as Trump is, (arguably amongst the worst presidential candidates in history) Clinton might actually be worse. No matter which of them wins, the American people lose.

[drylander (Peter)]

Originally Posted by clive milne

A corrupt and manipulative media...
As bad as Trump is, (arguably amongst the worst presidential candidates in history) Clinton might actually be worse. No matter which of them wins, the American people lose.

yep just like our last election. We end up the loser again.
It doesn't matter no matter who we vote for we end up with a pollie.
Pete

[AndrewJ]

As someone once said, "Peace for our time"
See what the media spins that into now.
China, Russia and lately Turkey are all showing
signs of 1936 politics, and arent being openly challenged.
Hope im wrong.

Andrew

[jwheel69 (Joe Wheelock)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

So what on earth and in the heavens above would make any sane person contemplate Trump as a leader? I reckon he'll trigger at least one war even if its a civil war?

I have no idea.

[jwheel69 (Joe Wheelock)]

Originally Posted by Shiraz

thanks very much for your first-hand input Joe. I think that many people around the world are genuinely concerned that there is such a wide dichotomy of views in the US on the need for guns in a modern civilized society.

For example, I find it incomprehensible that some of my daughter's warm and caring friends in Texas think that it is normal that they should be armed and that the person shopping next to them in the supermarket could be carrying a deadly weapon. And that they think it is their parental duty to teach their children how to shoot to kill another person. There is something going on here that I simply do not understand. The inability of the organisers of the Republican convention to ban AR15s in the precinct - when they did ban tennis balls - just put the issue in perspective.



regards Ray

I wish that I could provide you with an answer Ray, but I do not understand it either.

Joe

[sopticals (Stephen)]

Originally Posted by clive milne

A corrupt and manipulative media...
As bad as Trump is, (arguably amongst the worst presidential candidates in history) Clinton might actually be worse. No matter which of them wins, the American people lose.

The people lose. Whether the "Last TRUMP Sounds" (Revelation:Bible) or otherwise.

Stephen

[casstony]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

As someone once said, "Peace for our time"
See what the media spins that into now.
China, Russia and lately Turkey are all showing
signs of 1936 politics, and arent being openly challenged.Hope im wrong.
Andrew

I hope you're wrong too, but history suggests we're headed for another large scale conflict - it's the logical outcome of ever increasing economic tensions. I find this particularly troubling having a 13yo son.

As a species we're a bunch of numbskulls, no more wise than other species on the planet and a lot more dangerous. It's time to shift to Mars..... or NZ, nobody in the northern hemisphere knows where that is.

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

As someone once said, "Peace for our time"
See what the media spins that into now.
China, Russia and lately Turkey are all showing
signs of 1936 politics, and arent being openly challenged.
Hope im wrong.

Andrew

Ohh... there's a lot more going on here than what is making the news.

And what is making the news is distorted to the point of inversion.
The one true bit that is coming through however, is that we are on the brink of global conflict.

[AndrewJ]

Gday Clive

Ohh... there's a lot more going on here than what is making the news.

Fully agree.
Even listening to the propaganda the ABC radio spouts these days, you would think everyone can just live together and be happy . Rampant population growth isnt a problem, just a business opportunity to be exploited, and we arent doing well at it. ( obviously not "nimble" enough )
If they simply watched a petrie dish full of different cultures, they would see what happens when they run out of free space to grow.

Andrew

[PCH (Paul)]

Originally Posted by clive milne

Ohh... there's a lot more going on here than what is making the news.

And what is making the news is distorted to the point of inversion.
The one true bit that is coming through however, is that we are on the brink of global conflict.

And there's Julie and Big Mal saying "Oh yes, we'll continue sending all our three ships into the South China Sea as is our right!"

They don't seem to have brains enough to appreciate the only way this can end. And to top it all, haven't we sold the port of Darwin to the Chinese? That will be convenient for them when they decide to invade - won't have to waste money on aviation spirit to send bombers across!

What irks me is, how come it's only us thickoes on the street that can see how patently ridiculous we've been to allow such things to happen, - along with selling them our farms etc.

The lot of them should be shot if there was any justice (pollies not Chinese).

Just my humble 2 bobs worth, no offence intended.

[AndrewJ]

Gday Paul

when they decide to invade

Whats scarier to me is they wont have to, they will just have to walk in
and say "would you like us to turn your lights back on"

A big part of the next conflict will be creating mayhem in the target country by disabling the "internet of things", and the more advanced the target, the easier it will be.
Electricity,water,sewerage and transport systems disabled.
No money, doors dont open, phones dont work, food cant be distributed.
We are an affluent country that has been brainwashed into wanting everything to be driven by our smart phones ( The govt loves that as they can track everything you do. No need for an Australia card ).
We have a braindead belief that putting everything onto the internet is good ( economically ), but the people who make this easy for us haven't been adequately putting in protections from attack.
Sure they are "looking" at how to protect majot targets, but we are all soft targets, and hacking into millions of individuals will be just as effective as taking out a power grid or 2.
We already know that several overseas "states" are actively testing out how to disable/remotely access bits of this system, but again, this is actively poo poohed by the media, as it affects profits and spooks the populace.

Andrew

[xelasnave]

Bring in compulsory military enlistment for 10 years for all, build our own neclear weapons, close our borders, particularly to anyone who goes overseas on holiday, build more gaols, and have everyone wear a uniform.Get rid of credit and paper money and all citizens to work 14 hours a day.
No imports or exports get rid of churches, universities and all luxury items.
The only problem will be all the people wanting to get in...
Alex

[glend (Glen)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Bring in compulsory military enlistment for 10 years for all, build our own neclear weapons, close our borders, particularly to anyone who goes overseas on holiday, build more gaols, and have everyone wear a uniform.Get rid of credit and paper money and all citizens to work 14 hours a day.
No imports or exports get rid of churches, universities and all luxury items.
The only problem will be all the people wanting to get in...
Alex

Hmmm, sounds like North Korea.

[sn1987a (Barry)]

I spotted my fallback position while tracking the Russian balloonist yesterday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Ele_Amsterdam

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by glend

Hmmm, sounds like North Korea.

I just took bits from various promises for the perfect state from various propositions presented through history.
At least with the election out of the way we can get down to serious matters ...the leader ship battles with in each of the parties for until that all settles down they won't be able to address the pressing issues of their pay increases and extension of benefits for their retirements.
It is only be making those at the top very well off that the wealth trickle down effect can work and benefit the citizens.
Alex

[PCH (Paul)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I just took bits from various promises for the perfect state from various propositions presented through history.
At least with the election out of the way we can get down to serious matters ...the leader ship battles with in each of the parties for until that all settles down they won't be able to address the pressing issues of their pay increases and extension of benefits for their retirements.
It is only be making those at the top very well off that the wealth trickle down effect can work and benefit the citizens.
Alex

You're a card Alex. It'd be funny if it weren't so damn true