UFO Encounter

[Duke1966]

Originally Posted by astroron

True,but if you put it on an open forum full of mainly Astronomers,then you should expect to be open to discussion, not just be believed and expect kudos and applause.
Otherwise in a court of law for instance every witness would be believed and basically we would get no where.
I would hazard a guess that there are more people out there who have NOT seen one than people who have.
I don't take stories about "UFO's" at face value and nor should I ,I want facts not fiction,and to me most of the stories are at best misinterpretation,and at worst pure fabrication, and BTW most of them have been proven the latter,with a few in the don't know basket.
Cheers

Don't mock other people to what you have not seen. Sighting's of UFO's have been seen since the cave men. There are drawing's dating back BC.

[Duke1966]

To Astroron, Hi Ron, I guess we will always have the believers and the none believers on the subject's of UFO's as we do on sightings of Ghost's.

Until a person actually see's one, you won't believe. I know vividly what I saw on that particular night, I made a good mental memory of that occasion, as you do not see this sort of event happening everyday day in your life.
On that particular night it was a bright night, not a full moon, but it was a clear night that I could see the few small clouds in the sky, it was spring and a warm night at approximate time 10pm 10.30pm.
It was definitely NOT a plane. The windows of the craft that I seen were much larger that a 747 they were approximately the size of aluminum sliding house window of an
oval shape.
There was definitely lights on the both antenna's. Why? they are the same color as other air craft's I do not know. To me this was a UFO and therefore it is an aircraft, of some sort. ( Criticizing me about the amount of windows I see is not right and for you to question me. )

It was traveling at a very slow speed and a much lower altitude than an air craft, I only counted one side of this craft, I am assuming if you see all sides of this craft,
my estimation would be 40 windows in total.

Also I heard the swishing noise of air coming from this craft, not the sound of a motor as you would hear from a 747 or small airplane, as I had already mentioned this in my original post.
I am assuming they are far more advanced than we are and have other means of travel through space other than a motor.

Maybe the reason you have not sighted a UFO could possibly be you haven't been in the right place at the right time.

I wasn't looking for an encounter on that particular night or any other night for that matter, I guess I happened to be there at the right time. Are you questioning the many other people that seen it on that same night we did. This sighting was NOT in Clayton Westall sighting as some people are stating, it was in Frankston and Chelsea which is where I seen it.
It was also aired on the radio the next morning, on a Saturday.
The reason I decided to add my encounter on this site is because during the years that have gone by, I have tried on several occasion's to get in contact with the Government UFO hotline without any success.
I needed to get this of my chest and reveal my experience, hoping there would be other people on this site who have experienced similar siting as I have and they would understand my situation.
Duke 1966

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Last year I have witnessed several unusual 'flying lights' on a few occasions right in Sydney that seemed to defy laws of physics, or at least clearly surpassed any man-made machine that I know of in terms of speed and acceleration (including very rapid changes of direction of motion) as well as they behaved very unusually. I made some very conservative estimates based on clouds, angles and also comparative motions of commercial planes and came up with speeds in the range of several thousands of km/h. My partner witnessed them as well, so at least I can rule out imagining these events...

I tried to follow these lights with a small telescope and it was a nearly impossible task; I only got glimpses of them but either the sources of light were too far or too small as they still appeared as a point of light through a scope... I also unsuccessfully tried to photograph these lights with an astro-camera. Perhaps I would need a fast web camera for this purpose on a small scope for a wide field.

Anyway, I am currently focused on learing how to effectively photograph nebulae, but perhaps one day will prepare a set-up for 'catching' any unusual objects.

Just sharing my experiences, that's all.

[Monstar (Johnny)]

Originally Posted by Duke1966

To Astroron Hi Ron, I guess we will always have the believers and the none believers on the subject's of UFO's as we do on Ghost's1966

Ghosts, now we're talking! I really have see some strange phenomena 'ghost wise' (some witnessed by other people simultaneously) but I won't go into that here.

[OzStarGazer]

Originally Posted by Monstar

Ghosts, now we're talking! I really have see some strange phenomena 'ghost wise' (some witnessed by other people simultaneously) but I won't go into that here.

Me too. Also witnessed by other people simultaneously. But we'd better not reveal anything here...

[chiaroscuro (Luke)]

I'm sure there's a correlation between those who've seen ghosts and those who've seen "UFO's", and conversely, that the more empirical thinkers are more sceptical of such things.
My natural instinct is to seek a scientific explanation for everything that seems strange to me, and just because I don't come up with the explanation, doesn't mean there isn't one.
I've seen odd things at night too - in particular one night at 2AM driving past Lake George (a spooky place even in the daytime), and I saw a series of lights falling towards the earth, some green, some orange, some white, some red. I'm sure it was space junk burning up, with the various metals ionising giving off the colours - but I could have convinced myself otherwise at that hour of the night!

[csb (Craig)]

Luke, I'm going a bit mad trying to work out where I have seen the face in your avatar.

Perhaps a Heironymus Bosch painting?
Or is it Medusa's face?

[astroron (Ron)]

This may sound condescending,but I think a lot of people don't think logically
and go straight to more illogical explanation.
They want to see UFO's and when something comes around that is a bit different than they are used too,their mind makes things fit for them.
This is not ridicule,just what most investigators of this situation find.
Cheers

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by csb

Luke, I'm going a bit mad trying to work out where I have seen the face in your avatar.

Perhaps a Heironymus Bosch painting?
Or is it Medusa's face?

Medusa - Caravaggio mirror image

http://favourite-paintings.blogspot....o-head-of.html

[csb (Craig)]

Thanjs for that, Peter.

I knew I probably have that image in a book somewhere.

And thanks for the link: So Medusa had 2 sisters with the same hair!

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by astroron

This may sound condescending,but I think a lot of people don't think logically
and go straight to more illogical explanation.
They want to see UFO's and when something comes around that is a bit different than they are used too,their mind makes things fit for them.
This is not ridicule,just what most investigators of this situation find.
Cheers

Ron do you think it is reasonable to suggest seeing ufos may be contagious.
I have a view that if ufo sightings were broadcast others would present as seeing ufos..a bandwagon effect perhaps.
I often fantasize about perpetrating a ufo hoax..behind the pub so as to have reliable witnesses on hand...I shudder to think how much thought I have given it actually..but could be fun.

[astroron (Ron)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Ron do you think it is reasonable to suggest seeing ufos may be contagious.
I have a view that if ufo sightings were broadcast others would present as seeing ufos..a bandwagon effect perhaps.
I often fantasize about perpetrating a ufo hoax..behind the pub so as to have reliable witnesses on hand...I shudder to think how much thought I have given it actually..but could be fun.

That too Alex,it is well known that if you suggest something, like I see something up in the sky some people will agree so as not to feel stupid
I remember a Candid Camera program where they did just that and lots of people saw something that was just not there.
Cheers

[julianh72 (Julian)]

Any object which is seen in the sky and can't be identified by the observer is by definition a UFO - but that doesn't mean it must be alien spaceship!

An inexperienced observer, especially someone who "wants to believe", will be quite ready to identify any unusual sighting as some sort of craft, and it is then a short jump to "alien craft" - I haven't seen that before, therefore it doesn't come from here.

Sceptics and trained / experienced observers who witness an unusual phenomenon are more likely to assume it is NOT an alien craft, and may also have a broad range of alternative possibilities to consider, and may therefore find a simple rational explanation. Even if they can't identify it, they are more likely to accept the limitations of their knowledge and experience, and it will simply be remembered as "Wow! I wonder what that was?" rather than "I just saw an alien spacecraft!"

I'm happy for people to report their sightings in a forum such as this, and I'm happy for anyone to believe that what they saw was an alien spacecraft, but they should not be surprised if a majority of respondents here treat their beliefs with great scepticism! If you want an enthusiastic uncritical response, post on a UFO site, not a science / astronomy site!

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

I think if I was an alien in a 'UFO' I'd rig the lights to look like a local aircraft and fly at standard rates.
They're capable of major science techniques, they are not stupid.
Why would they stick out on purpose?

[mental4astro (Alexander)]

Originally Posted by jenchris

I think if I was an alien in a 'UFO' I'd rig the lights to look like a local aircraft and fly at standard rates.
They're capable of major science techniques, they are not stupid.
Why would they stick out on purpose?

I had a friend who was a paratrooper in the US army. He was an older fellow by the time I met him, wise, calm and very difficult to get an angry word from.

But, one day I did get some of his bite. We were actually talking about this same topic, and I mentioned something like the above. His reply was:

"What makes you think that YOUR way is the ONLY way of doing things? What makes you think that YOUR way of life or government is the ONLY and RIGHT way? If they do exist, they would have a very different set of values, experiences and knowledge than you. And you then think you can dictate values to them???"

That not only pulled me up, but changed the way I look upon my fellow humans who live all over the world. That was more than 20 years ago. He must have seen some things in his time in the army ol' Gary...

[LewisM]

Spot on Alex.

A lot of people say that life forms cannot exist because of such and such a condition that is detrimental to life. But in the wise old words of Spock - "It's life Jim, but not as we know it". I remember clearly still to this day a cartoon in an old astronomy book my Uncle gave me. Had a human crawling through the desert saying "WATER! WATER!". It had a "Saturnian" marooned crawling along the desert floor calling out "AMMONIA! AMMONIA!"

And if this UFO's are "intelligent", maybe they WANT us to see them... slowly become conditioned to it.

Anyway, all speculative, but think outside the square. What is logical and rational to us is not even logical or rational to other humans on Earth. Recent events prove this still.

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

That's similar to what I was saying before, why come by ftl when you can dimension hop.
Just because we can't, there's no reason they don't have the technology.

[pmrid (Peter)]

I was thinking about the initial abruptness/rudeness shown to Duke1966. Of course this isn't the first time we have seen rank arrogance, outright offensiveness and intolerable boorishness in these fora - particularly when lay members have the hide to express opinions about the sacred cows various scientific disciplines. Why does it happen at all in a forum such as this?

I confess to being initially wary about the original posting. We have seen this forum hijacked all too often lately by people either practicing outright scams or flogging links to pirate movies (or whatever they are). And in an age when computer viruses are becoming more destructive and invasive, when scams are becoming more sophisticated and prevalent, we have become hypersensitive to things that seem "out of place " or just feel wrong for some reason. We see this often when the poster - like Duke1966 - is a first-time poster. And when the language used in the posting seems somewhat stilted or contrived, that suspicion become all the greater.

On this occasion, Duke1966 has borne the brunt. Unfortunately, his original posting rang the wrong bells with me and, obviously, others. If he/she is genuine and his/her posting intended seriously, then any hurt is to be regretted. But on the other hand, the reaction cannot have been all that surprising. The lesson is think twice before pressing the send key. I just did and decided to send anyway!

Peter

[OzStarGazer]

Well, at any rate I hope Duke will come back...

[xelasnave]

I often wonder how alien life may differ from us.
I think survival of the fittest may be universal law and so such would dictate a similar approach to ours one could think.
Would they have religion is another question..so many humans need religion so I wonder if aliens feel and support similar needs.
Would we be in their food chain...
Are they on the net?
Do they have dna like ours or something different