Whales a bit safer

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

I will be dead before the world eats itself .. it's sad that in 2000 odd years it has become to this ... in. 15 billion year period

sorry
matt

[Varangian (John)]

Originally Posted by noeyedeer

I disagree with their so called tradition. no I hate tuna ... and ir I did eat eat it wouldn't be from long line "traditions". sorry I'm not a vegan, I like protein ..

speaking of tuna they will be endangered soon ..

matt

Yes they will - blue fin has dropped by 96%. Gummy shark numbers are incredibly low too for all you flake eaters!

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

Originally Posted by Varangian

Yes they will - blue fin has dropped by 96%. Gummy shark numbers are incredibly low too for all you flake eaters!

flake is just not gummy shark. but still a harmless shark hunted indiscriminately for food .. least it didn't get it's fins chopped off for soup a d left to drown ..

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

I'm glad there is passion for animals .. even though we may disagree .. it's still good to see

night

matt

edit .. humaninty has raped all the resources .. I said earlier .. we are on the extinction list ..

[el_draco (Rom)]

News this morning suggests Japs are going to defy the international Court of Justice and return to the Southern oceans next year...

It is historical fact that this culture has an unfortunate habit of saying one thing and doing another. Strange considering they profess to be honourable. They seriously lack in both honour and the ability to tell the truth. I suspect our "leaders" will now roll over and say ok....

Gawd

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by el_draco

News this morning suggests Japs are going to defy the international Court of Justice and return to the Southern oceans next year...

It is historical fact that this culture has an unfortunate habit of saying one thing and doing another. Strange considering they profess to be honourable. They seriously lack in both honour and the ability to tell the truth. I suspect our "leaders" will now roll over and say ok....

Gawd

Not really a surprise, they will probably withdraw from the 1986 moratorium on whaling and the 1946 treaty, which means that they can go back to doing whatever they want. Injunctions on Sea Shepherd is the first step.

Maybe we should place our own sanctions, and not buy Vixen and Takahashi telescopes, or any other Japanese products, any more. Oh, I can just hear the howls of protests from Vix and Tak fans now. Not goin' to happen!

Everyone needs Japan, so sanctions on Japan are probably not going to happen, if they don't abide by the rules, something Japan seem to flirt anyway.

Japan actually has the upper hand in all this. Simply don't play by the rules....nothin' will happen.

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by Stardrifter_WA

Maybe we should place our own sanctions, and not buy Vixen and Takahashi telescopes, or any other Japanese products, any more. Oh, I can just hear the howls of protests from Vix and Tak fans now. Not goin' to happen!

Everyone needs Japan, so sanctions on Japan are probably not going to happen, if they don't abide by the rules, something Japan seem to flirt anyway.

Japan actually has the upper hand in all this. Simply don't play by the rules....nothin' will happen.

I already stopped buying Jap. and already boycott Jap stuff. I guess it comes down to whats more important in the end, the rights of other species to survive and International law or being P.C. and having name tag bragging rights on a telescope. Have to think up some new ways to hit back...

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by el_draco

I already stopped buying Jap. and already boycott Jap stuff. I guess it comes down to whats more important in the end, the rights of other species to survive and International law or being P.C. and having name tag bragging rights on a telescope. Have to think up some new ways to hit back...

Hi Rom,

If you are boycotting Japanese products, are you actually writing to those manufacturers to advise them that you will not buy Japanese products until Japan stops whaling? If not, what is the point of the boycott, if they don't know about it.

If we all meant it and all wrote to the manufacturers, they may put pressure on their government. People, collectively, do have power, but just lack the will to exercise it. I know I do, I like the Canon L series lens, and won't stop buying them, for example.

If all the people in Australia, and other countries, stopped buying Japanese products, until they stop whaling, it would happen quickly.

Street protest may highlight a problem, but are not the answer, particularly if the Jap government doesn't give a toss.

Hurt them, where it will hurt them the most, in the hip pocket. Unfortunately, I know it is more complex than this, in that, if we stop buying Jap products, they won't need our iron ore, etc. etc. etc. This would result in flow on affects.

If a protest of this nature was actually launched, I would join in and stop buying their products, but, on my own, my voice doesn't amount to much, and therefore, the only person I actually hurt is me, by not having the product that I want.

Maybe the answer is make one month a year, "don't buy Japanese month", and promote that.

I admire your conviction Rom.

Cheers Pete

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Well when the Spanish boats went up to fish in the North sea with nets that were too fine, they used to confiscate the boats and imprison the skipper and send the crew home.
That worked quite well

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by Stardrifter_WA

Hi Rom,

If you are boycotting Japanese products, are you actually writing to those manufacturers to advise them that you will not buy Japanese products until Japan stops whaling? If not, what is the point of the boycott, if they don't know about it.

If we all meant it and all wrote to the manufacturers, they may put pressure on their government. People, collectively, do have power, but just lack the will to exercise it. I know I do, I like the Canon L series lens, and won't stop buying them, for example.

If all the people in Australia, and other countries, stopped buying Japanese products, until they stop whaling, it would happen quickly.

Street protest may highlight a problem, but are not the answer, particularly if the Jap government doesn't give a toss.

Hurt them, where it will hurt them the most, in the hip pocket. Unfortunately, I know it is more complex than this, in that, if we stop buying Jap products, they won't need our iron ore, etc. etc. etc. This would result in flow on affects.

If a protest of this nature was actually launched, I would join in and stop buying their products, but, on my own, my voice doesn't amount to much, and therefore, the only person I actually hurt is me, by not having the product that I want.

Maybe the answer is make one month a year, "don't buy Japanese month", and promote that.

I admire your conviction Rom.

Cheers Pete

Actually, YES, I do write to Jap companies and tell them why I wont buy from them and boy, has that cost them a packet already!! I have written to Manufacturers, Jap Pollies, Jap Newspapers and toasted the odd Jap nationalist online as well. I have eyed off a TOA 150 several times over the last few years, was in a position to buy one new and wrote to the manufacturer and told them why they didn't get a sale. Considering the state of their economy, it wouldn't take much to get them thinking.

Single voices don't make much noise generally but someone has to start... Yes? Okay, I'm one, why don't you become number 2?

As I have said before in this thread, you are wasting your time waiting for politicians to grow balls. They wont so you have to act yourself. Is a Canon lens a replacement for an extinct species? I think not.

In Tassie, people power writing to companies all over the world, doing street protests and fighting for the environment, killed off Gunns and forced the logging industry to the negotiating table. It took 30 years but last year we HAD consensus and a deal was all but signed. What stopped it? Moronic ideology driven Fwit politicians at both levels of govt. Oh well, if required, we will take them down as well and in the meantime... gawd help any bast*rd that goes near the protected forests.

Gotta start somewhere mate.

have at'em

Rom

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by el_draco

As I have said before in this thread, you are wasting your time waiting for politicians to grow balls. They wont so you have to act yourself. Is a Canon lens a replacement for an extinct species? I think not.

Rom

Good on ROM, as I said previously, I admire your conviction.

I too have written to Jap manufacturers, but not over this issue.

Unfortaunately, as far as DSLR's go, there isn't much available that isn't Japanese. Leica and the like, would be way out of my price range.

Cheers Pete

[Amaranthus (Barry)]

Just read a brilliant article on the Trout River whale - be prepared to chuckle more than once!
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/o...-1226904199063