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Old 09-12-2012, 04:24 PM
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This link explains what is going on.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...lack/page4.php

Mystery solved!
Apologies if I'm just having a reading comprehension fail - but where does it explain why the middle-west of Australia is so bright compared to the rest of Australia and particularly Sydney which should be brighter?
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:51 PM
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Apologies if I'm just having a reading comprehension fail - but where does it explain why the middle-west of Australia is so bright compared to the rest of Australia and particularly Sydney which should be brighter?
Jerry Bonnell sent that link as a way of explanation. I don't think it fully explains it, other than it could be a accumulation of data showing wildfires, which are common in the outback.

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Jerry Bonnell sent that link as a way of explanation. I don't think it fully explains it, other than it could be a accumulation of data showing wildfires, which are common in the outback.

Cheers Peter
Thats what My post said

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On reading the caption, I note that this image is composed of many images taken over a period between April and October, So all the bush fires and other lights are a composition, so they were not all there all at once as is portrade in that image. (Unquote)
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On reading the caption, I note that this image is composed of many images taken over a period between April and October, So all the bush fires and other lights are a composition, so they were not all there all at once as is portrade in that image. (Unquote)
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Sorry Ron, missed that one. Wasn't really reading all comments, as I thought the link Jerry Bonnell sent solved the mystery.

Was just answering Dan's specific query.

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Old 10-12-2012, 11:06 PM
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Here's an article from the "The Australian" newspaper, I found on my FB page
It explains it all
It agrees what I said

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226533311906
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:21 AM
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Here's an article from the "The Australian" newspaper, I found on my FB page
It explains it all
It agrees what I said

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226533311906
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Oh thank god... I was going to really throw a fit regarding the complete lack of logic as to what was being seen...

A great explanation as to what is going on.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:47 AM
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An old friend of mine is a brilliant scientist but also a sucker for every nutjob conspiracy theory out there - and I mean Out There!

He is convinced this is all an underhanded attempt by somebody in the US astronomy establishment to "reclaim their night", by undermining dark sites in foreign countries - such as the Australian Outback and the Atacama Coast - while artificially darkening US sites - such as MK - that are suffering growing LP issues.

But that's just crazy talk. Crazy!

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Here is the official NASA response

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/NP...aus-fires.html
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:00 PM
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Hmm...

i am still unconvinced about the fires. Look at the image attached and the scale - those are some huge areas for wildfires - some of them a couple of hundred k's across. I know that these images are composites over several nights - but surely they weren't lit up in the same place with each pass, and they could filter out any fires as 'noise' - much the same as stacking astrophotos...?
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Hmm...

i am still unconvinced about the fires. Look at the image attached and the scale - those are some huge areas for wildfires - some of them a couple of hundred k's across. I know that these images are composites over several nights - but surely they weren't lit up in the same place with each pass, and they could filter out any fires as 'noise' - much the same as stacking astrophotos...?
Why should they filter them out ?
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:08 PM
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They may be almost anything suggested but check this link:
http://www.blue-marble.de/nightlights/2010
from a different source.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:23 PM
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Why should they filter them out ?
Well the APOD blurb says...

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city lights identify major population centers, tracking the effects of human activity and influence across the globe. That makes nighttime images of our fair planet among the most interesting and important views from space.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:21 AM
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Because different areas burned at different times when the satellite passed over, the cumulative result in the composite view gives the appearance of a massive blaze. These fires are temporary features, in contrast to cities which are always there.
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I wonder if it may be at least partly an algorithm fail.

My understanding is that they took pictures on lots of of nights and then used used the results that had the brightest pictures to be included in the final picture.

For the rest of the world, this means that the nights most free of clouds were used.

For Australia, it means that if there was a bushfire on any of the nights that a region was being imaged, then that nights image would be used, as it would obviously be brighter than every other night.
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On close examination, the image shows a 'glow' around each fire, as it illuminates the surrounding dark landscape.
That sounds wrong. Fires on the ground aren't going to illuminate the surrounding landscape that much unless the flames are leaping up to a decent height.

What will happen much more is that the smoke from the fire is illuminated from underneath by the fire, which would also help explain why the fires appear so large compared to the city lights.
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Old 13-12-2012, 10:03 AM
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The photo composite is total BS as far as I'm concerned, a large portion of the area has nothing to burn, it' described as city lights on several sights and bush fires on others

Seems a lot of bush fires in NW WA but no lights yet a lot of lights and no bush fires shown in other countries so what is it???

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The photo composite is total BS as far as I'm concerned, a large portion of the area has nothing to burn, it' described as city lights on several sights and bush fires on others

Seems a lot of bush fires in NW WA but no lights yet a lot of lights and no bush fires shown in other countries so what is it???

Can you be more granular in your statement please and name a few specific areas?

I've taken a close look at the zoomed in areas of WA and there is plenty to burn when you look at the brush concentration in the Percival and Dora lakes and surrounding area.


Also, is there any specific reason why the scientific community at NASA would try to deceive the general population on something they really don't care about and probably never will?
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i am inclined to think it is wrong like half of the comments here
the reason being i think we could compare apples with apples here and look at the middle of africa...... experiencing summer (mostly) the same time as oz with more fire risk than us and their interior looks pollution free!
something simply does not look right in australia
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Old 13-12-2012, 10:36 AM
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Gibson Desert, the Great Sandy Desert, very little bushfire material, the link posted by Glenc refers to city lights, where are all the fires in Africa, their bushfire season is from July-October.

So it just so happens no fires where burning in Africa during the nights in October when these images where compiled but a huge number of fires flared in WA over the same period.



No to me it just seems wrong
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beat you by one post there trevor, totally agree..... see mine above yours
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