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Old 21-11-2012, 07:26 PM
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Ditto! Congrats on APOD! Well done.
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Old 21-11-2012, 07:33 PM
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Wow, congrats Stephen!!!!! A beautiful image and honour for you.
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Old 21-11-2012, 08:37 PM
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Wow indeed! A very unique capture of shadow bands - might well be the first of its kind.

Congrats with the APOD!

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Old 21-11-2012, 08:50 PM
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Congrats indeed!

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Wow indeed! A very unique capture of shadow bands - might well be the first of its kind.
Alex- as Terry pointed out earlier, almost everyone (including myself) who photographed TSE2010 noticed this in their images (since almost everyone had some transparent low cloud of some description). See for example:

http://joe-cali.com/eclipses/PAST/TSE2010/joe.html

Also, while recently in FNQ I was told that someone (can't remember who), upon re-inspecting their photos of TSE20xx (I forget also which eclipse) noticed in retrospect that they indeed captured shadowbands on their images too!

So it turns out 2010 was when this phenomena was first widely observed, but since 2010 it has been discovered on at photographs of at least one previous eclipse.
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Old 21-11-2012, 08:58 PM
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Are you sure that banding is an eclipse phenomena?

Here is a test image I did of the sun a week before the eclipse:

http://www.pbase.com/gregbradley/image/147235689

Isn't it just dynamic range in the image - very bright at the sun and darker in areas of cloud?

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Old 21-11-2012, 10:59 PM
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Thanks very much Geoff, Colin, Mike, Liz, Alex and Geoff! Much appreciated!


It's nice to score another APOD, and that makes it 3 for IceInSpace this week!


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Isn't it just dynamic range in the image - very bright at the sun and darker in areas of cloud?
It don't think it's just dynamic noise in the image Greg. It only shows up just after C3 and also (weakly) just before C2, but not in any other images. And the banding pattern looks like those that were captured in 2012, especially when viewed at full res. I don't see the same pattern in your image...?

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This is a wonderful set of images Stephen. What a beautiful keepsake to remind you of your magical moment. Congrats on your APOD!
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Old 22-11-2012, 09:09 AM
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The shadow banding is very clear on Tom's video. I wonder if it is the rough lunar horizon or some diffraction effect.

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Old 22-11-2012, 10:03 AM
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Thanks Barb!

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The shadow banding is very clear on Tom's video. I wonder if it is the rough lunar horizon or some diffraction effect.

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There is a good description of the phenomenom here Greg:

http://www.strickling.net/shadowbands.htm

It seems to be a optical effect due to atmospheric turbulence, rather than a feature of the lunar horizon.

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Old 22-11-2012, 11:41 AM
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Congrats indeed!



Alex- as Terry pointed out earlier, almost everyone (including myself) who photographed TSE2010 noticed this in their images (since almost everyone had some transparent low cloud of some description). See for example:

http://joe-cali.com/eclipses/PAST/TSE2010/joe.html

Also, while recently in FNQ I was told that someone (can't remember who), upon re-inspecting their photos of TSE20xx (I forget also which eclipse) noticed in retrospect that they indeed captured shadowbands on their images too!

So it turns out 2010 was when this phenomena was first widely observed, but since 2010 it has been discovered on at photographs of at least one previous eclipse.
Indeed, thanks for the links. Somehow I missed the 2010 eclipse results and there are some excellent images and videos by you and Joe.
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Old 22-11-2012, 10:18 PM
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nice collection of pics and congrats on APOD woohooo cheers
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So, so, so, so, SO beautiful!
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Old 24-11-2012, 04:21 PM
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nice collection of pics and congrats on APOD woohooo cheers
Thanks very much Jen!

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So, so, so, so, SO beautiful!
Thanks very much Rebecca! Try and get to one of these in the future, because these photos don't come close to capturing how beautiful and spectacular it really was visually!

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Amazing capture!
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Congratulations Stephen! Just caught up with this thread although I did see your APOD earlier - magnificent!

I caught the 'shadow bands' in 4 consecutive images although nowhere near as clearly as you. Check the second image here:
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/fz841.htm

Funnily enough, my sequence of shots through the first Diamond Ring in the 2010 eclipse were almost duplicates of 2012 as the Sun emerged from thin cloud, but there isn't really any sign of similar banding.

The only difference this time was that due to a dreadful clerical error I was shooting at ISO 1600 eek, must have forgotten to wind it back in the heat of the moment! Obviously there are many factors at work - if the bands are projected onto the cloud layer from upper atmosphere effects then ideally the cloud layer should be quite thin and uniform to transmit the bands. Maybe the clouds I imaged through in 2010 were 'fluffier'?? FWIW comparison images are attached.

Congrats again, amazing stuff!

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Old 04-12-2012, 09:51 PM
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Amazing capture!
Thanks very much Lydia!

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Congratulations Stephen! Just caught up with this thread although I did see your APOD earlier - magnificent!

I caught the 'shadow bands' in 4 consecutive images although nowhere near as clearly as you. Check the second image here:
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/fz841.htm

Funnily enough, my sequence of shots through the first Diamond Ring in the 2010 eclipse were almost duplicates of 2012 as the Sun emerged from thin cloud, but there isn't really any sign of similar banding.

The only difference this time was that due to a dreadful clerical error I was shooting at ISO 1600 eek, must have forgotten to wind it back in the heat of the moment! Obviously there are many factors at work - if the bands are projected onto the cloud layer from upper atmosphere effects then ideally the cloud layer should be quite thin and uniform to transmit the bands. Maybe the clouds I imaged through in 2010 were 'fluffier'?? FWIW comparison images are attached.

Congrats again, amazing stuff!

Cheers -
Thanks very much Rob, and well done on capturing the shadow bands as well! Also congrats for the "Optics image of the day"!
It is an interesting difference between 2010 and 2012 - perhaps due to differences in the atmospheric turbulence as well as the cloud thickness? I'm looking forward to the next eclipse to see if they are visible again!

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Stephen
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