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Old 06-05-2006, 01:44 PM
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To reduce the proposition to its absurd conclusion......real astronomers don't use Hubble.

Need I say more?
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Old 06-05-2006, 04:50 PM
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We are certainly a diverse lot. IMHO enjoying the universe is wot it's all about

Some of my most amazing astronomy experiences were using eye alone, a long way from lights and a long long way from my quiver of 'scopes.
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Old 07-05-2006, 09:22 AM
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We all have our differences and likewise do things with our own slant or flavouring. Doesn't mean that any is better, just that we are all individuals.
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:56 PM
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It's in the way that you use it, imo, gadgets are tools, otherwise why invent them? If you get some expensive gadget and you use it to it's fullest then yay! If you only get it to boast that you were able to get it then I'm not interested.
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Old 07-05-2006, 11:24 PM
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Even though I have always been a tinkerer (I even made a working pinball machine when I was a kid, with flashing like and rolling score) I never put much thought into Gizmos with astronomy. I point the scope and look at the object (if I can find it).

A dob is a Dob and should be used that way.

Aaaaahhhhh, but!

There's often a 'But' isn't there.

I now have an EQ mount for my Dob, and computer driven tracking. And I also have a Toucam shoved in it most of the time! So where does that leave me as an optically observing Dobber?

I don't care one way or the other. I used to support "it's all in the hunt!".

Well, I still have to hunt as I don't have GoTo on my EQ, so what I really have is a Dob that can track with the sky.

I still have to hunt, but the EQ helps my astrophotography.

If I can work out how to make a GoTo system for it, I'll probably fit one.

Why? Coz I am having fun making and fitting and testing and using and improving. Ain't all that part of a hobby too.

My gear is not high-tech, but I am having a blast. And that's all that matters to me.
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Old 08-05-2006, 11:23 AM
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i wouldnt call your scope a dob any more ken, its a EQ mounted newt. dob refers to the mount
hey did you keep the alt mounts on the side of the OTA? I kept them on mine so i can either go Eq or Dob nothing like flexibility
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Old 08-05-2006, 02:39 PM
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It was tongue in cheek Vingo.

Well, actually I can call by OTA a Dob, it has John Dobsons autograph on it LOL.

I haven't been able to mount the 12" on the EQ yet as I still don't have mounting rings, but I will definately be leaving the rocker bearings on it for a quick plop into the Dob base!
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Old 08-05-2006, 03:03 PM
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gee i am slow
sorry bout that.
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Old 08-05-2006, 04:01 PM
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We are certainly a diverse lot.
Never a truer word was spoken on this forum

I am constantly blown away with the different versions of what astronomy is to different people - Viva La Difference!
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Old 08-05-2006, 04:07 PM
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Old 08-05-2006, 04:16 PM
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That is a mystery wrapped in an enigma Ving Baby - how cool!

Come out of the compartment everybody!
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Old 08-05-2006, 05:46 PM
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one must define astronomer first!...the short answer, technology make astronomy easier. but are you involved in the "scientific study of matter in outer space"?
I think Ving's question is quite appropriate to this poll. The vast majority of us who populate these fora are AMATEUR astronomers. Even though I work at a planetarium and teach people about astronomy every working day, I will always consider myself as an amateur astronomer for the simple reason, I do no research astronomy.

Professional astronomers need to use gadgets to discover more things and to do their observations quickly (telescope time is paramount) whereas amateur astronomers (IMO) conduct astronomical observations for the simple pleasure of seeing what is up there and marveling at the diversity of objects that the universe is able to conjure.

So to answer the exact question of the poll, "Do electronic gadgets make you less of an astronomer?" - no. If we are talking about observational astronomy then I ask; who uses electronic gadgets to enhance their ability to observe an object (not find it but observe it)? I'd say no-one would use such a device. If we are talking about astrophotography then again the answer is no because gadgets come with the territory and the image is the desired product so the means justify the end.

Alot of people who have posted to this thread have also made mention of gadgets to help you find the objects, Argo Navis, GoTo etc.. To my mind, the ability to read a star chart is of vital importance if you are serious about being an amateur astronomer, more so if you want to be an observational amateur astronomer.

Gadgets fail. No-one can deny that.

Last Saturday (6/5/2006) I was setting up the planetarium's observatory for a public observing session. I needed to re-align the Meade LX90 so went about doing a 2 star alignment. I did it on Sirius and alpha Cen. but it decided that the alignment was not sucessful and I had run out of time to go through the process again. So I was forced to do it all manually during the session which was not a problem. It was not a problem because I knew where to find the objects by star hopping and I knew that because I used star charts when I was learning my way around when I started out in this hobby.

Many people see the LX90 slewing as if by magic to the next object when I do these observing sessions and it's usually the men who go "OOOhh...that's soooooo cool. How much?" I tell them the rough price but also warn them that if they buy one as their first telescope then do not rely too heavily on the goto function. Gadgets fail. All of a sudden you have a screwed up computer or the batteries have died and bang...your observing session is over because you have no idea as to how to read a star chart (and that's if you even own one) to continue to find those faint bits of nebulosity. The gadgets have died but does that mean your mirror suddenly can no longer reflect light? Have your own eyes also packed it in? The batteries die and your e.p's go dark as well?

Learn your way around a dozen or so objects first by using star charts and when you become proficeint THEN install something to give you goto functionality.

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Old 10-05-2006, 10:25 AM
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i like this definition that i googled
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~trw/define.html
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Old 10-05-2006, 10:50 AM
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RSO (arso) huh, and all this time I thought I was an amateur astronomer!
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Old 10-05-2006, 11:04 AM
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nothing wrong with being a RSO rex. besides that article is just someones opinion, happens to match mine btw but still an opinion
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Old 10-05-2006, 03:26 PM
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i like this definition that i googled
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~trw/define.html
yeah looks like the days of saying one of my hobbies is amateur astronomy are over too, from now on I'm just a "star gazer".
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Old 10-05-2006, 08:41 PM
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In the July 2005 edition of Sky and Telescope, in Letters to the editor, i ventured into this subject, and then in the September issue of the same year i got my answer.

I have to admit now, and apoligise to many, that Astronomy with or without gadgets is really equal.

I figured at the time that if you did it all the (Hard Way) like we used to many years ago it was more rewarding when that final image hung on the wall.

Well i was wrong, and i say this because i too now use some gadgets to assist me in my quest to get that great image.

Although i don't have a telescope that points to where it is told, i am in the field of Digital Imaging, and heck it can be difficult at times,

So to those out there who wanted to know where i lived, my humblest apologises.

Leon
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Old 14-05-2006, 12:58 PM
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yeah looks like the days of saying one of my hobbies is amateur astronomy are over too, from now on I'm just a "star gazer".
I always thought of myself as a stargazer. I do it for the eye candy
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Old 14-05-2006, 01:52 PM
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why would any of us care what our position on the astronomy ladder between amateur and professional is or how it is looked upon by others.
some people get their fix from purely visual observing and some move on to astrophotography, usually when funds allow, and some delve even further into the hobby and specialise in a particular area.
unless you are making your primary income through your astronomical pursuits then l guess you will always be considered an amateur.
as for the gadget question, l have my share of wiz bang go-to equipment and find it great but that does not mean that every time l go observing l use it, l quite often cruise the sky manually and take in the larger picture, l believe l have the best of both worlds, l am the master of my gadgets not the other way around.
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Old 14-05-2006, 06:22 PM
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why would any of us care what our position on the astronomy ladder between amateur and professional is or how it is looked upon by others.
some people get their fix from purely visual observing and some move on to astrophotography, usually when funds allow, and some delve even further into the hobby and specialise in a particular area.
Good point I don't care at all what anyone thinks about the way I persue Astronomy. I dont pretend to be a amateur scientist, for me I am an astronomer for the sheer beauty and wonder of the night sky.
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