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[astroron (Ron)]

Originally Posted by Stardrifter_WA

Interesting that we haven't heard from HRT Don't give up HRT I hope this hasn't put you off, as that would be tragic.

Just because some don't agree with your comments, I defend your right to make them, as they are valid comments anyway, as I have said before.

Hey guys and gals, HRT may be a bit shy and this site can be daunting for a newcomer. I was on this site for sometime before I felt comfortable enough to ask questions and make comments; and I am by no means shy!

SO give HRT a fair go. After all, we all have different opinions and ideas and this is what makes this site so exciting.

:roll eyes:
Keep that up Peter and you will have us all in tears
The guy is no Newbie he has four telescopes so he says and has been a member on here for about six years
As has been noted I think this is a big Troll
Cheers

[vanwonky (Dave)]

Originally Posted by astroron

:roll eyes:
Keep that up Peter and you will have us all in tears
The guy is no Newbie he has four telescopes so he says and has been a member on here for about six years
As has been noted I think this is a big Troll
Cheers

Aaahhhh! Emoticonamania! Ron your killing me. Come on Hedley, say something. I am getting trounced here!

"It was a pleasure to met you at Astrofest after all Hedley". There Ron, a direct quote from another post involving Hedley.

By the way, I understand what some idiots might be up to when trolling - just shi**stirring and wasting everyones time etc. but what in your mind makes this particular post from a troll Ron et al.

Cheers
Dave

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by astroron

:roll eyes:
Keep that up Peter and you will have us all in tears
The guy is no Newbie he has four telescopes so he says and has been a member on here for about six years
As has been noted I think this is a big Troll
Cheers

What? We now get criticised for being nice That's shameful

[bobson (Bob)]

Interesting that we haven't heard from HRT Don't give up HRT I hope this hasn't put you off, as that would be tragic.

Hey guys, dont rush him. Patience is a virtue. And by the look of it hes got it

Who wants to bet he'll come back in 5 years and comment on this topic?

cheers

bob

[astroron (Ron)]

Originally Posted by bobson

Hey guys, dont rush him. Patience is a virtue. And by the look of it hes got it

Who wants to bet he'll come back in 5 years and comment on this topic?

cheers

bob

Cheers

[GeoffW1 (Geoff)]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

Well said ron,Peter,David,Peter ......
Geez, are you over 16?.

Now that's nasty, not needed

[TrevorW]

Really guys if you don't like what someone has said or believe they are trolling then PM them direct or a moderator.

I'm getting a bit tired of people making direct or indirect snide remarks about other posters because they don't like what has been written

This is not a exclusive club keep snide, derogatory or demeaning remarks about other forum members to yourself, making them lacks maturity and doesn't bode well for you

[HRT]

OK guys - I'm back.

With the exception of one poster whose comments, I thought, were vitriolic, vicious and wrong I believe the comments on my post were entirely reasonable.

However, some seem to think I wrote that third party praise about items for sale indicated a setup. I would like to make it clear I did not say that. If you thought that way please go back and read what I said, particularly noting use of the word "could".

Here too is part of what I wrote to a member who was curious enough to ask me about my post.

"My comment about the possibility of being set up was based on two experiences I have had with "boosting" by another "shopper" who just happened to be standing nearby when I was discussing a product with the salesman".

IIS now has over 10,000 members and it is unlikely that all are as straight as we would like. Indeed, Mike seems to acknowledge this via his requirement that advertisers must have been a member for 30 days and have made 5 posts before they may offer an item for sale.

I note no such prohibition applies to buyers which is fortunate, otherwise I would not have purchased Adman's fine refractor last night. If any still think I have spikey ears and a tail and know nothing about astronomy you might like to contact the vendor and see what he has to say.

I have not been active in astronomy for some years as I went about other interests - including trans ocean sailing which required some knowledge of the heavens. My long absence was behind my comment that I was new here.

But a troll? Well, I have traded on eBay for quite a few years and if you want to check my "trollness" read my feedback - hrt1009 will find it.

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Originally Posted by GeoffW1

Now that's nasty, not needed

Oh dear. Trading on IIS is based on loose unmoderated discussion between buyers and sellers, nothing to do with IIS and nothing to do with protocol other than common sense if it occurrs. Buyer beware.

You need to be over 16 to deal with life generally without a nanny over your shoulder. I was just checking .

[vanwonky (Dave)]

Welcome back Hedley! Sans spikey ears and a tail.
Cheers
Dave

[Stardrifter_WA]

Welcome Back HRT.

[adman (Adam)]

Yes - I can confirm I have sighted the viscious HRT - and can further confirm that there was no tail, nor pointy ears. He was in fact a perfect gentleman and a fine addition to IIS.....oops, I think this is getting awfully close to 'boosting' you Hedley!!

[Moon (James)]

But a troll? Well, I have traded on eBay for quite a few years and if you want to check my "trollness" read my feedback - hrt1009 will find it.

Troll means you are off topic and (hopefully unintentionally) triggering an emotive, pointless discussion. It doesn't mean your a bad person with pointy ears.
Please tell us your astronomy story and how you navigated by the stars. We would all love to hear about that. Seriously.
As a word of warning, eBay, the injustice of speed limits, the NBN, and global warning are probably not good choices for your next post.
James

[stephenb (Stephen)]

Amazing how quickly people assassinated the character of a fellow member. Well hopefully that has shut the grumpy inner circle up for another few threads. Welcome back HRT.

Originally Posted by Moon

As a word of warning, eBay, the injustice of speed limits, the NBN, and global warning are probably not good choices for your next post.
James

Probably best to add anything to do with Apple and text shorthand to that ever growing list.

[rainwatcher (Peter)]

Poor old HRT, beaten senseless with a wet bus ticket.
You would think he abused the pope, hang on that’s OK on this forum; its our American friends we need to be protective of.
Pretty harmless stuff.

[astroron (Ron)]

Breaking down HRT post

It seems that many of the ads are written at about 2 AM when the seller should be sleeping.

If you miss out, that is too bad, the guy is only interested in selling the article not your sleeping habbit's


They are often ambiguous, difficult to understand and replete with abbreviations that must be a mystery to beginners. Moreover, the lack of a comprehensive description leads me to think the advertiser believes Mike charges $100/word.

That's what PM's are for, if you want more information


My point is, ads in shorthand are a pain and lead to a stream of potential buyers asking for more info. All this could be avoided if sellers provided the info they themselves would want if buying the item(s).

One shouldn't need to write a book to sell ones wares

My second point concerns the practice of another member adding a comment to an ad along the lines of "Jack's QDL784BH is a fantastic scope and I wish I had the money to buy it" or, "Jack's scope is the best 105mm ED APO SSA I have seen and whoever gets it will be very happy".

You don't need to take any notice of what anyone else says, go to the seller and ask the questions, if you do not understand

When I read comments such as these, I can't help feel I could be being set up. Accordingly, I will not respond to adds which feature praise from a friend.

So you doubt the person making the comments, that is your right and you can act accordingly

Am I Mr Crusoe on these points or am I being a little precious?

YES, IMHO, that's why I answered you message the way I did in the first place.

All the other stuff that has come along since the start of this post.
Character Assassination pointy ears, ect were just over the top.

That you are happy with your purchase goes to show that you can purchase stuff on Ice Trades with a fair degree of confidence
And you where able to purchase one so quickly just about negates your comment about the early morning posters as you got a reply very quickly

I am sure in time you will learn the acronyms and all will be happy

Cheers

[GeoffW1 (Geoff)]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

Trading on IIS is based on loose unmoderated discussion

How can it be unmoderated? Aren't we being moderated?

Anyway it's all moot, because your post was allowed to stay in, so there you go.

[Stardrifter_WA]

I agree with Ron's last comment.

However, it can be daunting for the newcomer and we still need to be mindful of this. Also, often, you need to be quick if you wish to purchase and item from Ice Trade, and for newcomers, or those that don't understand abbreviations, this requires further info, and by the time they get it, it is often too late.

I have been an amateur since I was 12, after my first visit to Perth Observatory, and have even contributed to a number of scientific papers, over the years, so I am no dummy, and yet, I still don't understand some of the abbreviations. Just not up with the current jargon, it seems. After all, I don't know everything.

Besides, communication is about getting your message across and feedback is whether that message has been interpreted correctly. Obviously, this is not happening. In that regard, I thought HRT's comments and feedback were quite valid, and was surprised at some the offense that was taken by it, although I suspect some of that was tongue in cheek anyway, but doesn't always come across like that.

Also, it concerns me that any newcomer reading this thread may be put off commenting due to the negative feedback. which is why I gave positive feedback, after all, we are quick to condemn but slow to praise in society. Too much stick and not enough carrot, so to speak.

However, I do recognise that everyone has there own ideas and opinions and I defend your right to do so. But, it could appear to a newcomer that IIS isn't a friendly place, which is definitely not the case.

I found joining IIS to be a little intimidating and although IIS does have a newcomer section, which is great, but the newcomer slowly graduates to other sections. I didn't start out there anyway, as it was a little basic for me, but I watched there for a while to get the feel for IIS.

I have joined IIS twice, with the first time I felt very intimidated and didn't feel that I belonged on this site and left without comment, some time later. How many others have done this? This isn't anything new, it happens within all groups.

I came back to the site in 2010 and I persevered and started to make contributions, as I wanted to belong to this great group of people. I have still found it intimidating and still feel I don't necessarily belong or am accepted. Again, this isn't anything new.

Newcomers to a group or club take a long time to be truly accepted. This site makes that that little bit harder, as we do not get to meet many off this site. I haven't met anyone that I don't already know anyway.

But having said all that, I have enjoyed this thread. It has been lively, after all.

Regards Peter