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Old 10-08-2011, 07:36 PM
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It looks like the galaxy is sitting in a dark hole about twice its diameter

As I said I'm starting to think it is a visual illusion created by the stars..??

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Now it is clear. I have no PS at the moment handy to check the actual values of the background in different locations (am still at work), but at first impression it seems there is a kind of ring of brighter stars around the galaxy (in particular at the right) so I would go as well for a kind of visual impression. A quick check with PS or other imaging tools should give however a more "scientific" answer

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Great shot.
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Fantastic image, well done.
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Is it possible its evidence of dark matter?

It was the first thing I noticed about Marco's image that there is a dark band around the galaxy. At first I thought it may have been processing from a lassoo. But I think its an actual thing in the image. I see it in my own images of the area.

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it is a clear sign of the dark side of the force
FYI, I never use lassos to process image luminosity to avoid what Mike reported below, at least not at the initial stages. What usual I do is to duplicate the image as new layer, apply the correction I want (denoise, luminosity, etc) and than masking this layer with a Layer masks using the same base image as actual mask. The effect of the processing can than be changed by working on the mask (changing its contrast by using levels or its blending by applying a gaussian filter). That means that this usually apply to the whole image. In some limited cases (e.g. this one) I than mask (again through layer masks) the effect I had to limit the strength on certain areas. Working on specific areas with Lassos is usually not good since can easily produce less natural blends..

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Absolutely stunning. Benchmark image - thanks for sharing with us Marco.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:48 PM
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Fantastic work Marco. Stunning image.
Milion galaxies on background .

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Old 11-08-2011, 06:36 AM
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An amazing and unique photo Marco.

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Old 11-08-2011, 11:41 AM
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Lovely Marco. You've certainly gone deep to pick out the arc. Interesting discussion on processing to enhance it. I would have probably used an object mask to selectively stretch the data and keep in in line with the other image elements. Too many ways to skin a cat one could say. Ironically its not scientifically accurate due to non linear stretches. Perhaps you could do a negative linearly stretched version and superimpose the RGB galaxy over the top. In any case, its a great image. Well done.
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:27 PM
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Fantastic work Marco. Stunning image.
Milion galaxies on background .

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An amazing and unique photo Marco.

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Lovely Marco. You've certainly gone deep to pick out the arc. Interesting discussion on processing to enhance it. I would have probably used an object mask to selectively stretch the data and keep in in line with the other image elements. Too many ways to skin a cat one could say. Ironically its not scientifically accurate due to non linear stretches. Perhaps you could do a negative linearly stretched version and superimpose the RGB galaxy over the top. In any case, its a great image. Well done.
Thanks Jase. Yes definitely there are several ways to work out on faint details. Actually, when details are really barely visible on the original image is when things become tricky. I also recently purchased Pixinsight and I am experimenting with some of its routines, same for CCDStack. Perhaps I will be able to find other ways to squeeze out the original data. For sure this is the most stretched image I have ever produced, I usually don't like to go so extreme but I wanted to try something out of the common path on this very popular subject. Superimpose the RGB galaxy over the negative stretched data is the way Mike chose for his excellent shot, it is definitely a nice way to go and perhaps more "scientific" but I am still intrigued to experiment something different, at the end of the day my target is to have a pleasant image, with real details but not necessary scientifically accurate. A simple DDP is already producing a non scientifically accurate image, let's apart working on colors or adding narrowband images

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Old 11-08-2011, 07:18 PM
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it is a clear sign of the dark side of the force
FYI, I never use lassos to process image luminosity to avoid what Mike reported below, at least not at the initial stages. What usual I do is to duplicate the image as new layer, apply the correction I want (denoise, luminosity, etc) and than masking this layer with a Layer masks using the same base image as actual mask. The effect of the processing can than be changed by working on the mask (changing its contrast by using levels or its blending by applying a gaussian filter). That means that this usually apply to the whole image. In some limited cases (e.g. this one) I than mask (again through layer masks) the effect I had to limit the strength on certain areas. Working on specific areas with Lassos is usually not good since can easily produce less natural blends..


I agree. lasso is not such a great tool really. It has its moments but really once you start using hide all layer masks or inverted layer masks it seems a bit crude.

I have also seen this effect of a darker ring around luminance images of galaxies occassionally in my own images. It is a definite "thing".
If the theory of dark matter is in fact true and I for one feel it probably is (perhaps it is simply old spent energy particles that are black, like soot for example) , then it would make sense that these dark matter or dark energy clouds would be further out being spent particles rather than further in where more energetic particles would tend to gravitate together. Just a theory. Perhaps we should collect some images that show this effect and send it off to someone at NASA or somewhere.

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Marco you have really created a stunning image keep up the good work.

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Old 11-08-2011, 09:45 PM
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That's a superb image Marco, I really like these ultra deep views.
Great processing with well balanced colours and a nice natural look overall - and that faint outer arm looks amazing
Thanks for the view
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Old 12-08-2011, 08:54 PM
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What a sight to see all that extra dynamic usually unseen. Thanks for showing.

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Old 12-08-2011, 10:44 PM
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Marco,I don't know much about DSO imaging but I know a spectacular galaxy when I see one. Deserves a big WOW!
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Old 13-08-2011, 12:15 AM
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Very nice Marco, Deep and wonderful colors.

I showed an example of this proposed stream at AAIC that I took while at Moorook. Along with it was a shot taken at of it by the VLT to help determine if it is a stream or not. It is faint but I was able to capture it a couple of years ago with around 4 hours of exposure so I am surprised it does not show up more often in images.

But I bet we will start seeing more of them in the future . .
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