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Old 13-07-2011, 09:01 PM
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The long and short of it is there is no reason whatsoever for killing the whales except the satisfaction of 'luxury' japanese restuarants.
I support you Leon. I am a meat eater (love a good steak) but i try to ensure that the meat i eat is treated ethically before it ends up on my plate. I cant even bring myself to knock my old chooks on the head. They live out their retirement eating bugs out of my grass.
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Old 13-07-2011, 09:15 PM
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Kill to eat

As long as it is sustainable, ( kill/eat) is ok by me. End of story. After all, if our ancestors were greenies/ do gooders, meat is murder crap, etc, we would not be here now. Think about it.
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Old 13-07-2011, 09:15 PM
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We should be farming Roo's not cattle.
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Old 13-07-2011, 09:17 PM
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taste

Roo's taste like .IMHO. So let's export 'em and keep the beef for ourselves. Yum.

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Old 13-07-2011, 09:35 PM
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Roo's taste like .IMHO.

Please explain.

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Old 13-07-2011, 09:39 PM
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Eat some Richard, all will be revealed.

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Old 13-07-2011, 10:06 PM
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I have, many years ago but for some unknown reason it was smothered in a plumb sauce.

But to get back on topic, any species that is in any risk of extinction (even remotely) must be protected and not butchered, regardless of any human feces culture.
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Old 14-07-2011, 01:32 AM
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btw the inuit kill around 180 whales a year. Japan and Norway take a further 750 and 600 and the Faroese kill around 1000 pilot whales.
That's all the Inuit....but now it's become almost a semi-commercial enterprise for some groups. Before, they'd be lucky to kill 20-40 a season. mainly because they didn't have the modern equipment that they now have.
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Old 14-07-2011, 01:52 AM
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We should be farming Roo's not cattle.
Totally agree, although there is already a farming industry running but it is hard to sustain because of the high cost in capturing the little buggers. Farming doesn't allow shooting them, laws.
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Old 14-07-2011, 02:08 AM
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so the way i understand it
the Japanese have traditionally killed and eaten whales

i have no objection to them doing that as long as they

STICK TO WHERE THEY TRADITIONALLY CAUGHT THEM

and i guess that was in Japanese waters

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Old 14-07-2011, 03:57 AM
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Blimey.
I thought they'd done Pearl Harbour again!

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We should be farming Roo's not cattle.

Jen, Jen, Jen.
You can't 'farm' Roos. Not on a commercial scale.
They can jump over any fence you (can afford to) build and don't herd well.
They have to be shot.
Or hit with a truck.
Or convinced to suicide.
Its hard to tell an "emo" 'roo from a well-adjusted one, so this last one is a lot of work.

Besides.
Despite all the bad press, cattle are one of the most useful and 'useable' sources of protein around.
Yer average steer is worth 6 or 7 Kangaroos in terms of 'harvestable' product.
There is not a single part that can't be used for something.
Also, whatever gas they produce tends to be off-set by the grass they eat.
Which then has to re-grow.
Producing more Oxygen.
Our cattle even exist happily with the natives.
Our Wombats and Koalas mix happily with the cattle as the cows tend to scare the foxes and dogs away!

Lastly:
Has anyone ever actually had a craving for a Kangaroo T-bone?

Thought not.

But I digress,
I'm 100% anti-whaling.
Even though, and bear with me here, whales, dolphins, porpoises etc. are no more 'intelligent' than a dog.
Sorry.
It's true.
By any objective test of animal intelligence (or human for that matter) Cetaceans are, relatively dim.
Tim. Tim. Nice but dim, as it were.
Poodles are smarter.

If they were truly Intelligent, they'd gang-up on the ships and sink 'em.
Or at least sit on the bottom until they got bored and buggered-off.
Or even change their migration routes.
Or learn to breath water (actually, they're a bit of an evolutionary dead-end are Whales and Dolphins)
Intelligence is almost by definition, the ability to out-think one's situation.
Films aside, if someones chasing you with a car, you don't run ahead of it, you dive into the bushes.
Or stop, step aside and let it go by.
It takes ages for a ship to turn. If they were capital-"I"-intelligent, they'd just keep stopping or changing directions. The ship'd run out of fuel long befor a harpoon could be launched.

Whales and Dolphins are also not benign, spiritual animals that waft from sea-to-sea contemplating the universe.
If you are a Krill or a Herring or a Seal, they are immense, relentless, remorseless, killing machines that have been attempting species-cide on you for eons.
That Pacific Whiteside? Yes, that one there, the one that hippy chick is singing to? He ATE your uncle Herbert!

But Cetaceans ARE beautiful, friendly, inquisitive and magnificent beasts and as I'm prone to anthropomorphising, I'd happily put my attack-pedallo between one and a whaling ship any day.
I even helped outfit the Rainbow Warrior (death to the French!).

Unfortunately the Japanese are not the only ones who Whale commercially.
The Scandanavians do it as well, though in nowhere near the numbers.
Some villages do however have a particularly brutal way of dispatching them by driving them onto a beach and then shooting, cutting and clubbing them.
It's tremendously uncivilised, so boycott IKEA and Volvo!!

Even worse (I think), is the practice now sanctioned by the Canadian and American governments allowing "indigenous peoples" of the Pacific Northwest to hunt Orcas for sport.
It's supposed to be a test of their manhood or some bull****.
Hey.
Part of my Anglo-Saxon heritage is, guess what? - hunting Indians for sport!
"Penelope! Break out the 30-06! I see a canoe!"

It sends Geenpeace into paroxysms of indecision as they're all touchy-feely on native North Americans and as it's part of their 'heritage' they don't know how to confront it.
I do.
It's ****ing ugly and brutal and so's their heritage (the Haida particularly)!
Most indigenous 'culture' is about killing animals and dismembering enemies.
You think the Mega-fauna in Australia and North America just caught the sniffles and died within 200 years of people arriving?

Whew!
OK.
Rant over!
We now return you to your regular programming.

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Old 14-07-2011, 05:33 AM
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As far as I can see the whole scientific basis to the defence is just false and I know this is a Greenpeace study but I was unable to find any truly scientific studies supporting the practice and I did look.

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(Taken from the below link)While whaling is culturally important to some Japanese, demand for whale meat is dwindling, as younger generations seemingly no longer want to eat flesh carved from a giant oily mammal.

A 2008 Greenpeace survey determined that only about 5% of Japanese people eat whale meat. More recently stories have stated that stockpiles of frozen whale meat has reached historic highs, providing more evidence of a shrinking demand.





http://www.petethomasoutdoors.com/20...hale-meat.html
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Old 14-07-2011, 11:30 AM
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Whale/dolphin levels of intelligence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetacean_intelligence

numerous studies indicate that they are up their with chimps

remember the old whaling tale about shooting the female whale first then you'll catch the male but not vice versa
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Old 14-07-2011, 12:54 PM
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So if there were millions of whales it would be OK, just like millions of Tuna, Crayfish, you name it.
good question...since there are about a million minke whales...

lots of lively debate in my Japanese degree last year on this topic.

speaking to an ex-pat in japan he felt that some of the negotiation (and any concessions) by the japanese whaling commission was more to obtain favourable benefits in other, non-whaling, fields. intersting take on it, anyway.
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Old 14-07-2011, 12:55 PM
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If nothing else call it what it is...hunting not scientific research...the hypocracy is unforgivable.
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Old 14-07-2011, 02:07 PM
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...remember the old whaling tale about shooting the female whale first then you'll catch the male but not vice versa
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Old 14-07-2011, 02:09 PM
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Well that was a good debate, lots of different opinions, at the end of the day I think the political point is probably more correct rather than the scientific rubbish they come up with.

There are some countries that will do as they please and get way with it because some other countries are just plain chicken to stand up to them.

Try some of the Australian ways and rules, in reverse and see what happens.

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