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Old 16-05-2011, 10:47 AM
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As for the Halos...nuttin I can do about that mate ..

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Why not? A little processing would remove them ... unless, that is, you actually don't mind them.
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Old 16-05-2011, 11:04 AM
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Why not? A little processing would remove them ... unless, that is, you actually don't mind them.
Oh yeh of course...I meant they are there from the optics.

I have tried removing them in Starfire images before but was never happy with the result, always looked like they had been processed out so I just got used to them...any tips here?

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Old 16-05-2011, 11:26 AM
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I would take an identical field with the Starfire and do a HDR between the two where the stars would have very faint vestiges of the so called haloes but still have the beautiful bright nebula data from the AG12.

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Oh yeh of course...I meant they are there from the optics.

I have tried removing them in Starfire images before but was never happy with the result, always looked like they had been processed out so I just got used to them...any tips here?

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Old 16-05-2011, 11:26 AM
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Nicely done Mike. The main thing that stands out to me though are the haloes around the bright stars which seem a tad unsightly. Of course there are techniques for minimizing them.

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Old 16-05-2011, 11:43 AM
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I would take an identical field with the Starfire and do a HDR between the two where the stars would have very faint vestiges of the so called haloes but still have the beautiful bright nebula data from the AG12.

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Nicely done Mike. The main thing that stands out to me though are the haloes around the bright stars which seem a tad unsightly. Of course there are techniques for minimizing them.

Cheers

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You kidding me Berto ...it's a major operation setting the AG up as is..let alone having to reconfigure everything for the Starfire ..be a dream to have'em side by side on a PME in an observatory though, with two ProLines

I'll have a play with the data tonight, see if I can do anything to the brighter halos...last thing I want to do is butcher the stars and make'em worse...

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Old 16-05-2011, 01:40 PM
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I have tried removing them in Starfire images before but was never happy with the result, always looked like they had been processed out so I just got used to them...any tips here?

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Would you consider this an improvement? ... Coupla minutes per halo.
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Would you consider this an improvement? ... Coupla minutes per halo.
Hmm yes, that looks pretty good I guess ...ok so what simple method did I ignore all this time then
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Old 16-05-2011, 02:30 PM
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Hmm yes, that looks pretty good I guess ...ok so what simple method did I ignore all this time then
Yeah I'm interested in the processing of these too. I get heaps with my MPCC.
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Hmm yes, that looks pretty good I guess ...ok so what simple method did I ignore all this time then
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Yeah I'm interested in the processing of these too. I get heaps with my MPCC.
Start with flattened layer. Duplicate it twice. Make the top layer invisible for the moment.

Middle layer: apply strong median so that all the little stars dissappear completely and the large haloed stars still appear as a faint smudge. I used 25 pixels or so for your 50% version. Be carefull with your median radius, you can overdo and underdo it! Create a hide all layer mask. With a soft edged white paint brush on the layer mask, carefully "reveal" the median layer only over the bright halo so that it and the star are completely gone. Be careful not to hide any residual stars at the boundary of the halo.

Top Layer: Create a hide all mask for this layer as well. With a soft edged white paintbrush, paint the layer mask with a spot centred on the star. Reveal as much of the airy disk as you like. With a very fine white brush you also need to paint the mask to reveal the diff spikes as well. This last step is best done while sober.

Touch up: If the colour where the halo was isn't right, apply a circular marquee tool (feathered) to that area on the middle layer, and colour balance until it looks right. If you've hidden some boundary stars, gently paint the mask in the top layer with a small soft white brush to reveal them.

Repeat the process using the same layers for all affected stars. Make sure you zoom right in of course so you can see what you're doing.

Voila! about 2 mins per star should do it
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Old 16-05-2011, 04:20 PM
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Excellent result, Mike. Humming along quite nicely by the looks of things.

Now, where do I find me some clear, cloudless, new Moon nights, without work and/or other annoyances?

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Wonderful results from terrible conditions - this is still a good test, imagine when things are vgood. I think you are in love.

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Just out of interest Mike, what do you think is the source of the spherical halos around the brighter stars ?
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Start with flattened layer. Duplicate it twice. Make the top layer invisible for the moment.

Middle layer: apply strong median so that all the little stars dissappear completely and the large haloed stars still appear as a faint smudge. I used 25 pixels or so for your 50% version. Be carefull with your median radius, you can overdo and underdo it! Create a hide all layer mask. With a soft edged white paint brush on the layer mask, carefully "reveal" the median layer only over the bright halo so that it and the star are completely gone. Be careful not to hide any residual stars at the boundary of the halo.

Top Layer: Create a hide all mask for this layer as well. With a soft edged white paintbrush, paint the layer mask with a spot centred on the star. Reveal as much of the airy disk as you like. With a very fine white brush you also need to paint the mask to reveal the diff spikes as well. This last step is best done while sober.

Touch up: If the colour where the halo was isn't right, apply a circular marquee tool (feathered) to that area on the middle layer, and colour balance until it looks right. If you've hidden some boundary stars, gently paint the mask in the top layer with a small soft white brush to reveal them.

Repeat the process using the same layers for all affected stars. Make sure you zoom right in of course so you can see what you're doing.

Voila! about 2 mins per star should do it
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Old 16-05-2011, 06:18 PM
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Wonderful results from terrible conditions - this is still a good test, imagine when things are vgood. I think you are in love.

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Once I have the residule collimation/flatness sorted 100% I do think I may sleep with her

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Just out of interest Mike, what do you think is the source of the spherical halos around the brighter stars ?
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Excellent result, Mike. Humming along quite nicely by the looks of things.

Now, where do I find me some clear, cloudless, new Moon nights, without work and/or other annoyances?

H
Humming Humi yes, but purrring is what I really want , this scope is capable of a little better I think..?

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Old 16-05-2011, 06:19 PM
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Very nice Mike ! The Aston Martin is one fast instrument.
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Old 16-05-2011, 06:22 PM
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Very nice Mike ! The Aston Martin is one fast instrument.
Considered that name Dave actually but went for the McLaren F1 instead.. even faster

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Very interesting object .... and a very good image Mike ...

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Old 16-05-2011, 09:14 PM
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I'm with Marcus and Greg.. you'd have to be very bloody happy with those stars now. Geez f3.8.. Sweet as..

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Old 16-05-2011, 09:55 PM
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[QUOTE=marc4darkskies;721263]Start with flattened layer. Duplicate it twice. Make the top layer invisible for the moment.............. /QUOTE]

While I have no problem with instrument artifacts ( in a sense they give a hallmark to an image) I do have a problem with localised image manipulation.

Are you taking pictures of deep space or painting them?

Sure you can paint any picture you like, but is this reality???

As I have mentioned many times before....Cindy Crawford has a mole... yeah
right....photoshop can fix anything....except it wouldn't be Cindy.
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Old 16-05-2011, 09:59 PM
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Wow...have never noticed the mole!
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