Pioneer Anomaly Solved !

[CraigS]

Alex;
What is this 'Android' thing you keep dropping into every post today ?

Is it something we all need to learn up about ?

… or is it just something stuck in your keyboard ?

Cheers

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by CraigS

Alex;
What is this 'Android' thing you keep dropping into every post today ?

Is it something we all need to learn up about ?

… or is it just something stuck in your keyboard ?

Cheers

Yeah, same question!!.

[xelasnave]

Sorry they slip past. I purchased a little table and if you type an etc it inserts Android.
I will sort it out but its a pain. But for 100 bucks it provides me with a low energy device....I also lashed out and got me a 1 amp tv...must be using 20 amps a day now.
alex

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Sorry they slip past. I purchased a little table and if you type an etc it inserts Android.
I will sort it out but its a pain. But for 100 bucks it provides me with a low energy device....I also lashed out and got me a 1 amp tv...must be using 20 amps a day now.
alex

Another slip-shod, half-baked green development, eh ?

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Hi Bojan hi Steven
before I do more I ask is there any point.? We have my premise firstly is it a reasonable approach? If such a situation exists will the passing energy interact with matter. If absolutely not the game ends there...if possible the idea then needs data as to the ctual energy present. ..my lack of math is irrelevent if the premise is flawed.
Anyways my original point was simply that this latest idea as to why they slow is still a straw grab andthe anomoly still remains unsolved in my view.
alex

So why are planets, comets, and asteroids moving towards aphelion not exhibiting the same effect which would result in a violation of Kepler's third law?

Regards

Steven

[xelasnave]

All things are what we chose to call them but for me its not about being green it is that I live without grid power.
Getting a 40 wattt wind genny later today to complete the mix.
Alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by sjastro

So why are planets, comets, and asteroids moving towards aphelion not exhibiting the same effect which would result in a violation of Kepler's third law?

Regards

Steven

Good question Steven but one I can't answer or will attempt to take on other than planets etc are within the heliosphere...mmm comets are anexception..but my cntention has been it is interstella space that has the effect...we have touched upon zpe maybe matter has a limited interaction with it. .. but you raise an interesting point to think about.
alex

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Good question Steven but one I can't answer or will attempt to take on other than planets etc are within the heliosphere...mmm comets are anexception..but my cntention has been it is interstella space that has the effect...we have touched upon zpe maybe matter has a limited interaction with it. .. but you raise an interesting point to think about.
alex

More of a rhetorical question.

The reason why planets, comets and asteroids don't exhibit slowing (other than the mechanism of gravity behind Kepler's third law) is that the phenomena you describe doesn't exist.

Regards

Steven

[xelasnave]

You could be right Steven again my point even leaving out my alternate energy pressure approach simply is the idea offerred being the subject of the thread seems to be more of the same similar to offerring leaking fuel tanks or similar as the answer. Or to put it another way I do not think the latest idea will prove correct and it would be a shame if thinking on the matter ended on the basis this latest idea means the file should be closed. Ideas such as leaking tanks would manifest differently between crafts whereas a universal cause would seem more reasonable to explain very similar behaviour.
Given Carls coments about ZPE today and its abundance I ask why its presence could not be the cause for example.
Always great to have your guidance and input.
Alex

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Good question Steven but one I can't answer or will attempt to take on other than planets etc are within the heliosphere...mmm comets are anexception..but my cntention has been it is interstella space that has the effect...we have touched upon zpe maybe matter has a limited interaction with it. .. but you raise an interesting point to think about.
alex

Yep … I'd say that constitutes outright denial of empirical evidence (presented by Steven) ...

Originally Posted by xelasnave

but my cntention has been it is interstella space that has the effect

Yep … don't ever let good, hard evidence EVER stand in the way of 'my intention' !!

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

You could be right Steven again my point even leaving out my alternate energy pressure approach simply is the idea offerred being the subject of the thread seems to be more of the same similar to offerring leaking fuel tanks or similar as the answer. Or to put it another way I do not think the latest idea will prove correct and it would be a shame if thinking on the matter ended on the basis this latest idea means the file should be closed. Ideas such as leaking tanks would manifest differently between crafts whereas a universal cause would seem more reasonable to explain very similar behaviour.
Given Carls coments about ZPE today and its abundance I ask why its presence could not be the cause for example.
Always great to have your guidance and input.
Alex

Who said anything about 'leaking tanks' ?? Where did this come from ??

How much does it take for you to accept a plausible explanation based on real Science, Alex ?

Cheers

[xelasnave]

Well you can say what you like and I say radiation bouncing off the dishes is probably not the answer but you do science an injustice if you say the case is closed in my view. The idea is interesting but to say it settles the matter does not sit well with me...don't get upset because I hold my view..it does not upset me that you hold different views. .you disagree so be it. ..if you are happy that the offerring is valid that's great but I don't agree this lastest idea is reasonable.
Alex

[bojan]

Alex, this doesn't make any sense.
The thing is, the numbers fit when the latest explanation is used to calculate the effects (slowing down).. while you cant provide anything like this to support your ideas.
Don't be so stubborn just for the sake of having your own "opinion".

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by bojan

Alex, this doesn't make any sense.
The thing is, the numbers fit when the latest explanation is used to calculate the effects (slowing down).. while you cant provide anything like this to support your ideas.
Don't be so stubborn just for the sake of having your own "opinion".

I realised one thing howeverBojan the dishes would both polnt back to Earth in the same direction. ...mmm would this dish power cause the vehicles to "crab" .? If the dishes point to Earth you could thijk they may power the craft forwards. ..Bojan I am sorry to hold an opinion I can't prove but it keeps me thinking. There have been other ideas on these craft that were abandoned and maybe this is not the end. I am not suggesting that my ideas are right but someone else may coke up with something better...surely that is possible.And-out of respect for all of you who I frustrate I will say. ..this idea re the dishes is the most reasojable so far and. I will respect the scientific method used to prove the idea.
Alex

[xelasnave]

So far there is no other craft experiencing the pioneer anomoly suggesting the idea is correct if the current idea is correct no other craft will slow...so if they don't slow the same as pioneer the dish idea is beyond doubt...if other craft slow then the dish idea fails certainly...so any craft doing the pioneer trip. .we need a lisr of who is leaving the solar system. ..will they slow
alex

[OICURMT]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I realised one thing howeverBojan the dishes would both polnt back to Earth in the same direction. ...mmm would this dish power cause the vehicles to "crab" .?

Alex

Early spacecraft were stabilized via rotation of the craft itself, so crabbing would not be observed, as it would "crab" around in a tight, miniscule twisting motion...

OIC!

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by OICURMT

Alex

Early spacecraft were stabilized via rotation of the craft itself, so crabbing would not be observed, as it would "crab" around in a tight, miniscule twisting motion...

OIC!

An observed spiral would confirm the dish idea for sure. ..better get the 12 inch out. Fred Watson supports the dish idea I find.

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

You could be right Steven again my point even leaving out my alternate energy pressure approach simply is the idea offerred being the subject of the thread seems to be more of the same similar to offerring leaking fuel tanks or similar as the answer. Or to put it another way I do not think the latest idea will prove correct and it would be a shame if thinking on the matter ended on the basis this latest idea means the file should be closed. Ideas such as leaking tanks would manifest differently between crafts whereas a universal cause would seem more reasonable to explain very similar behaviour.
Given Carls coments about ZPE today and its abundance I ask why its presence could not be the cause for example.
Always great to have your guidance and input.
Alex

Alex,

Evidently you don't realize by contemplating ZPE is giving tacit support to Inflation theory.
Not that ZPE will have any effect on Pioneer.
You can't have it both ways.

You are pulling rabbits out of hats to support an opinion which is illogical and unsubstantiated.

Regards

Steven

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by sjastro

Alex,

Evidently you don't realize by contemplating ZPE is giving tacit support to Inflation theory.
Not that ZPE will have any effect on Pioneer.
You can't have it both ways.

You are pulling rabbits out of hats to support an opinion which is illogical and unsubstantiated.

Regards

Steven

Hi Steven
Thanks for answering my ZPE question. The Voyagers are not slowing so it looks as if my idea is wrong given their behaviour. If they finally slow well I will revisit it but at the moment the fact is I must be wrong as to a universal pressure as if there was such a player voyagers should be slowing...So that fact sinks my approach.
Thank you Craig and Bojan it seems you guys are right yet again and that's great there are few that I hold that view about.
If I was the PM I would ask you all to be my prime advisors.
alex