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Old 19-03-2011, 08:47 PM
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I had one. I started off with a TRS80 (model 1) in 77/78, and along the way had (in no particular order) a ZX81, TI99/4A, Exidy Sorcerer, Sharp PC 1251, Commodore 64, Commodore SX64, Amstrad PCW before moving onto PC's and now iMac's.

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Old 19-03-2011, 09:29 PM
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We used TRS80s and Sorcerers as terminals for entering and editing Pascal programs at UQ Comp Sci in the late 70s and early 80s. Compilation and execution was done on the PDP-10 mainframe. I wrote the assembler code for the Z80 micros. Perhaps we should have applied for a patent on cloud computing
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Talk about a trip down memory lane, there Bart !

Thanks for the thread.

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Thanks Craig, sure was a trip for me as well!!!!!

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I I remember a couple of hours typing in a program from a mag and days debugging my typing mistakes.
YEP same here!!!!! not only ones from mags but my own programs as well !!!!!
I used to swap games by sending cassette tapes through the post ( snail mail) by contacting people through those magazines.......NO Bit torrent then!!!!!

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Graig, yes this is such a nostalgia trip, ------
Thanks for the recall Bart !.
Ahhhh Nostalgia!!!!

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Never seen one, never heard of them.

My 1st computer was a Commodore 64 and I didn't know how to use it.

Nothing's changed
Heheheheh my second computer was a C64 too!!!

Great to hear your responses peoples!!!!!!
If, and when I get the urge, I'll try and fire it up and see if some of the tapes still work to upload a program. Will try and take a few pics then!

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Old 19-03-2011, 11:54 PM
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We used TRS80s and Sorcerers as terminals for entering and editing Pascal programs at UQ Comp Sci in the late 70s and early 80s. Compilation and execution was done on the PDP-10 mainframe. I wrote the assembler code for the Z80 micros. Perhaps we should have applied for a patent on cloud computing
I remember dabbling in some Pascal and remember that I liked the way the Language worked. I cant remember a single thing now though.....mmmmm maybe a google search is on the books now!
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Old 20-03-2011, 01:44 AM
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I remember dabbling in some Pascal and remember that I liked the way the Language worked. I cant remember a single thing now though.....mmmmm maybe a google search is on the books now!
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Aah Pascal. That's what they used to teach us to program at Uni. I loved it so much I wrote a compiler for it in assembler on the IBM mainframe at work. What was I thinking

My first computer was a C64. Had lots of fun with that. Started with the tape drive but soon tired of that and got the floppy drive. Have a look at the size of it. Single sided 360Kb from memory. We had the tool so you could cut the notch and turn them over to use both sides.

Did anyone else have the programs that would play tunes with the floppy drive by banging the head against the end stop?
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My first computer was a C64. Had lots of fun with that. Started with the tape drive but soon tired of that and got the floppy drive. Have a look at the size of it. Single sided 360Kb from memory. We had the tool so you could cut the notch and turn them over to use both sides.
Yep did the same thing with the the floppy too!!!!!

BTW (bit slack here) , but do you know of any sites regarding Pascal Language Tutorials Michael?
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Old 20-03-2011, 05:12 AM
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Started with the tape drive but soon tired of that and got the floppy drive. Have a look at the size of it.
You know why the 1541's were so big?
They were basicaly a C64 and powersupply, sans video and SID chips and ofcourse the keyboard.

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You know why the 1541's were so big?
They were basicaly a C64 and powersupply, sans video and SID chips and ofcourse the keyboard.

http://www.z80.eu/1541C.jpg
Yep, and fully programmable in their own right. Most useful program was the one loaded into 2 drives and they would just continuously duplicate the disks you fed them.
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Old 20-03-2011, 10:02 PM
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Yep did the same thing with the the floppy too!!!!!

BTW (bit slack here) , but do you know of any sites regarding Pascal Language Tutorials Michael?
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A quick google found lots of potential sites, but not places I regularly visit. Just put 'pascal programming' into google.

I still have the Vax-11 Pascal reference manual and the text book we used Algorithms+Data Structure=Programs by Niklaus Wirth the guy who wrote the language.

If you have specific questions i'll see if I can still answer them.
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Old 21-03-2011, 08:33 PM
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I still have a ZX80 and the case of the 81. I fitted it to a homemade case with full size keyboard and from memory it had a 16K memory expansion pack. This allowed my modified B/W 11inch television to sit on it.

I owe much of my assembly language programming skills to Mr Sinclair and these early Z80 based machines. I still have pages of source code hand written that I used to Poke into memory locations to run assembler. As has been suggested previosly, this is a trip down memory lane.

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Old 21-03-2011, 10:00 PM
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Thanks Michael.....as I said I was a bit slack....

I'll keep you in mind if I have any Q's
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Wow !!!!!!
The Sinclair ZX81 turned 30!!!!http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....s/thumbsup.gif
Those of you who go...... "WTF is a ZX81???????"......http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....eyepopping.gif
well here is a link ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12703674

I started of with one of these beauties way back and like the article said ....pestering the parents ( in my case just mum) for the puter and then the expansion pack....
I managed to write a program to play Yatzee ( if anyone remembers the game with dice....http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....estionicon.gif) and sure enough as the article says .... lots of frustration with loading and saving to a tape drive!!!!http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....milies/mad.gif

Anyhoooo, here are a few pics of my ZX81 plus 16KB expansion pack....
Dug it up out of a storage box and also found my First mobile phone, an Ericsson GH 337 wit a fancy antenna http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/..../winking70.gif.

Let me know if I'm not the only owner of a ZX81 in Australia ( well I guess in the IIS community at least...)http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/..../confused2.gif

5: rem "print bartman onto the screen indefinitely"
10: print "bartman";
20: goto 10
30: end(.....mmmm did not need that I guess)

I think that was the BASIC code that I first used .... Please correct me if I'm wrong.....

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No, I 'stole my daughters commadore 64 and learned to programme on it.

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Old 21-03-2011, 10:19 PM
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No, I 'stole my daughters commadore 64 and learned to programme on it.

Eddie

I wish my sister was interested with computers from the beginning....but she was more interested in boys back then!
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Old 21-03-2011, 10:46 PM
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Unfortunately the Sinclair was a bit before my time. I feel so young! lol

My first computer was a Commodore Plus/4. I think it was supposed to be the successor to the C64, but it flopped and was discontinued the following year after it was released! I think the reason we got it was because they were flogging them off cheap some years later.

I remember having a hard time finding any software for it since it was so short lived. But of the few games I had I enjoyed it and it gave me my first taste of Basic programming. Started writing a good old fashioned Text Based Adventure Game, which was suprisingly easy to do, but my story telling skills weren't that great so I eventually gave up on that!

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Old 21-03-2011, 11:07 PM
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Unfortunately the Sinclair was a bit before my time. I feel so young! lol

My first computer was a Commodore Plus/4. I think it was supposed to be the successor to the C64, but it flopped and was discontinued the following year after it was released! I think the reason we got it was because they were flogging them off cheap some years later.

I remember having a hard time finding any software for it since it was so short lived. But of the few games I had I enjoyed it and it gave me my first taste of Basic programming. Started writing a good old fashioned Text Based Adventure Game, which was suprisingly easy to do, but my story telling skills weren't that great so I eventually gave up on that!

Fun times.
Thanks Jules... I do remember that too, another trip into the ancient world of computers!!!!!!
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My first computer was a Commodore Plus/4. I think it was supposed to be the successor to the C64, but it flopped and was discontinued the following year after it was released!
I believe it was supposed to be a computer suitable for small business and home office use.
The 'Plus/4' referred to the four 'Office' applications that were included in the computers ROM, word processor, spreadsheet, database, and graphing.

In many ways the +4 was way superior than the C64, however it's graphics chip could not support sprites and the SID chip had been left out so only had basic audio, it therefore had limited appeal to gamers which was the C64's success.

If they had simply expanded on the C64(like the Commodore65), so it was backwards compatible, but with the better graphics, BASIC, memory management and the four office apps, I reckon it would have been a winner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Plus/4

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We didn't have such tres moderne instruments in Canada.
We had to make do with an abacus made out of bear teeth and moose sinews. A specially trained beaver would slap out the results in morse code with its tail.
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Time passes rapidly.

The first computer I was fortunate to own was a Motorola D2 Kit in 1976.
It was an evaluation board that Motorola had introduced for its 6800 microprocessor
and came with 128 bytes of static RAM (yes, that's bytes) and 1KB of EPROM.
The CPU could run at 1MHz but from memory was clocked at 512KHz.

Delivered, it came in a large binder which included documentation such as
schematics and assembler manuals as well as two bare circuit boards and
all the components. You soldered it yourself.
See http://www.computermuseumgroningen.n...la/6800map.jpg

The completed system looked like this -
http://www.computermuseumgroningen.n...a/6800d2sm.jpg

There was an executive that ran in EPROM that enabled you to punch
the hexidecimal opcodes into memory and then execute them. Seven
segment LCD's provided one form of output.

Programming in hex left me with the unfortunate legacy that I can still
remember many of those opcodes in my head to this day.
86 was a Load A Register (LDA). 20 was a Branch Always (BRA).
7E was Jump (JMP) and so on. It is a total waste of brain cells.

The system could be interfaced to a commodity cassette recorder and programs
stored and retrieved using what was called the Kansas City Standard.


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I think the NSC SCMP (National Semi Conductors Micro Processor) was the first reasonably successful micro processor chip released circa 1975. There were a number of published circuits in electronics magazines around 1976-77 that used it. However Motorola was not far behind and then came the very successful Z80.
Hi Barry,

The Intel 4004 was the first microprocessor, introduced in Nov 1971.
It was a 4-bit device and though sales were initially slow as engineers pondered
what to do with it, they did pick up and it was arguably a success. It certainly
spawned an incredible revolution.

I still have a copy of the databook and have attached a scan from one of the
pages from it below.

The Intel 8008 was an 8 bit device introduced in 1972 and it was the first device
to be incorporated into a true microcomputer.

The Intel 8080, Motorola 6800 and NatSemi SC/MP ("Scamp") were all
introduced in 1974. Arguably the Motorola and Intel devices were the biggest
commercial winners and these two specific devices spawned successive
generations over the following decades that kept the two companies as the
dominant players in a highly competitive market.

The Zilog Z80 didn't appear on the scene until 1976.

The 6800 had the advantage of a cleaner architecture. For example, it
didn't have the ugliness of the 8080's I/O instructions. Instead, all I/O was
memory mapped.

However, when IBM Engineers at Boca Raton in Florida chose the Intel 8088, one of
the successors to the 8080, for inclusion in the first PC, few would have guessed that
it would ensure that the 8080's DNA would get passed down to the present time in
the commodity PC's that we use today.

However, the race was not always that clear and for some time when PC's were
still of limited use in business, Motorola MPU's dominated in the professional
market and were incorporated in the first workstations out of
Sun Microsystems, Apollo Computer and Hewlett Packard.

For sheer number of microprocessor core licenses sold in the world, the clear winner
is ARM Holdings out of Cambridge in the UK. As at January 2011, some 15 billion
ARM CPU cores have shipped and it is predicted 5 billion will ship this year alone.
Used in nearly every mobile phone in the world, ARM processors also account for
an estimated 90% of all embedded 32 bit processors in the world.

One of the more mind boggling manufacturing statistics I have ever read
was in the Dec 2007 issue of IEEE Spectrum magazine, which quoted an
estimate attributed to Gordon Moore, founder of Intel, that perhaps one
quintillion - that's 10 to the power of 18 - transistors are fabricated within
devices annually. Moore goes onto say, "We make more transistors per year
than the number of printed characters in all the newspapers, magazines, books,
photocopies, and computer printouts".
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Hi Gary

Yes now you mention it I probably heard about all those developments in thew early 70's. A couple of my work mates were real keen on computers and played with all those devices. I deliberately stayed out of computers and when everyone took the computer options in the E&C I took the TV option. My first course on computers was about 1969 run by a couple of Uni students from AWA.

We had a number of computers at work that I saw a little of, Ikara, SPS 52 SPS 51. All used discrete parts in the CPU's. My first dabble was with the SCMP that my mate from National gave me. He also kept me supplied with ic's for our projects. I was a keen ham at the time and we travelled all over England and Scotland to conventions and exhibitions. Our department head looked on them as official business so the trips were all financed by the government. (That's why I am reluctant to complain about pollies perks).

I did nothing about computers then til I got a Sega in1982/3. My sons played with them most and both got good jobs in the IT industry as a result of learning from the ground up.

By the way are you going to the SPSP this year. If so we must catch up.

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Byte Magazine 1977

Hi Barry,

Great to hear of your first exposure to computers back at AWA and
the story of the friend out of NSC in Scotland who have you the SC/MP to tinker with.

In the 70's and 80's, the premier enthusiast's publication at the time was Byte magazine.
I still have a collection of them and I just went and pulled a couple of copies out of
a storage box dated late 1977 and scanned a few sample pages.

One of the articles that appeared in the Nov 1977 edition was on how to write a pseudo
16-bit instruction set for the 8-bit 6502, a processor manufactured by MOS
Technology and which architecturally was quite similar to the Motorola 6800.
The article is written by some guy called Stephen Wozniak out of a little company
in Cupertino California called Apple Computer.

Woz's Apple I and Apple II both used the 6502 and I scanned a double page
advertisement for the Apple II which appeared in Byte and have included it below.

Mai and I have registered and are definitely coming to Ilford.
See you up at the house and looking forward to catching up.
Hoping there might be something to see on the radio astronomy project perhaps?
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