Have a good weekend - forget the A***guard

[Ziggy Stardust]

Originally Posted by stinky

OK - what about this then? A good equivelent?

EQUIS Shoofly 125ml
A concentrayte that can be diluted to a wash or spray
Prythroid
Can be used as an aid in the treatment of queensland itch , and to control flys and biting insects.
Pleasant smelling. Adds gloss and shine to the coat.
Active ingredient permethrin 40gr / Litre

I know Shoofly very well, but it's not the same!!!
Permethrins have different isomerisations ( excuse spelling), ie where the different atoms fit on the chain to each other. it can be a 25:75 or 50:50 or 75:25 isomerisation , all three are Permethrin, but all three have different effects, toxicty and even products life and some even smell different. You need to be looking for something that has no other DEET or Cypermethrin etc.. in it and has a Permethrin with a 75:25 ratio an around 3~4 grams per litre max for human contact. They say a good thing is hard to copy....
Bayer have a simular product but for some reason does not worl as well.

I would spray the BioKill on me and my tripod when viewing, found spraying the tripod, stopped mozzies hanging around the scope and spiders crawling up the legs nothing like six legs suddenly appearing in the view finder

ps, the good products are nirmaly in several countries and will have food and beverage approval in the USA (EPA class 4 ) and Europe

Tony

also check for a website on products. Safe ones will have data on the Toxic Effects and Dangers
you looking for something as safe as this, to use on yourself... otherwise

<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>Acute oral toxicity, rats (LD 0) > 5'000 mg/kg</TD><TD vAlign=top bgColor=#94ffcf>not measurable</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>Acute dermal toxicity, rats (LD 0) > 5'000 mg/kg</TD><TD vAlign=top bgColor=#94ffcf>not measurable</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>Acute inhalation toxicity, rats (4h LC 0) > 4'000 mg/m3</TD><TD vAlign=top bgColor=#94ffcf>not measurable</TD><TR><TD colSpan=2><TT>Primary skin irritation</TT></TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>no effect</TD><TD bgColor=#94ffcf>no effect</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><TT>Primary eye irritation</TT></TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>no effect</TD><TD bgColor=#94ffcf>no effect</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><TT>Special investigations</TT></TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>Skin irritation, human</TD><TD bgColor=#94ffcf>no irritation (24h)</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>Repeated wetting, dog</TD><TD bgColor=#94ffcf>no toxic effects</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>Repeated wetting, hen</TD><TD bgColor=#94ffcf>no toxic effects</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#fff0d0>Swimming test, rats</TD><TD bgColor=#94ffcf>no toxic effects</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Agents for Hong Kong, Singapore, China, Malaysia, Indonesia ( so get some on the next Bali Trip )
http://www.biokill.com.hk/

[mickoking]

G,day cobbers,


Yeah the blue can doesn't work for me either. But the smell is a classic Aussie perfume. It always brings back memories of me observing thru my crapmeister 60mm telescope as a kid in Sydney.

[Ziggy Stardust]

Originally Posted by wavelandscott

Insecticide (all pesticides) including repellents are a heavily regulated industry as it should be. Australia is fortunate in that it's regulations are concerned with not only safety (health and environment) but also requires efficacy data to be submitted to gain registration...this at least gives some asurance that any product you buy has been tested and has passed a stringent assesment for safety and efficacy. Yes, it is expensive and yes, it does take time and effort but it is worth it as a society...Having said that, remember!

In all cases people should read, understand and follow the label use directions.

sorry mate, i'm not going to contribut further....here I get your drift..
but I'll make one little comment.

If it's so well regulated and controlled, why are there still so many poeple that die every year in australia from working with commercial pestcides and the use of pesticides that are outlawed in many other first world countries. It's more about regulating a closed shop and keeping the "old-boys club" happy and wealthy. How can products used in all the major EU countries, USA, Japan, Hong kong etc... battle to get into Australia with totaly safe products and 25 years of use and research??? When did Australia stop using DDT compared to other Western Nations??

enuff said.

sorry people, go use the bushman etc... ignore my comments

Tony

[RAJAH235]

fwiw, I find that the 'Homebrand' roll on insect repellent, works very well. (Just watch the plastic spectacle frames & synth. clothes). Smells nice 2. L.

[Stu]

I find the blue works for me but I probably spray it on until I'm dripping.

[BerzerkerNerd]

Some major retailers sell a repellent product(dont have the name just now) that are like big fat incense sticks made out of sandlewood. A few of these stuck in the ground around the scope area in a triangle or square do actually seem to work on mozzies and midges/sandflies so far.
Still road testing, but seem to get a six hour burn from a stick if breeze is light.
Could be an alternative to chemical body smear and besides smells 100% better.
Has this worked or not worked for anyone else

[Argonavis (William)]

Originally Posted by BerzerkerNerd

Some major retailers sell a repellent product(dont have the name just now) that are like big fat incense sticks made out of sandlewood. A few of these stuck in the ground around the scope area in a triangle or square do actually seem to work on mozzies and midges/sandflies so far.
Still road testing, but seem to get a six hour burn from a stick if breeze is light.
Could be an alternative to chemical body smear and besides smells 100% better.
Has this worked or not worked for anyone else

I would be very wary of burning anything near an optical surface. Smoke contains all sorts of tars and chemicals that I would not want on any of my optical surfaces. Same with smokers.

[Stu]

Yeh could cause bushfires, so be careful!!!

[gaa_ian (Ian)]

We live in Mozzie heaven here in the tropics.
Our club uses "Autan" as our standard repellant.
The Choise survey gives it a 96% effectivness after 4 hrs !
We find it is not as harsh on the skin as the clasic "Blue Can".
We usaually light a number of coils around our observing area, all this together seems to help !

[BerzerkerNerd]

Good points fellas. will be carefull.