Bahahahha! Fools!

[avandonk]

Alright then since we have reached agreement.

My guidescope has a pink pussycat inside it. From now on if my scope fails to guide it is because you non believing people have failed to believe in my pink pussycat.

If any of you atheists dare tell me my beliefs are irrational then my pink pusycat stops guiding!

This is my true belief and is just as valid as all the other beliefs so there!

Bert

[mill (Martin)]

Ok everyone, Astronomy is a religion to me then (NOT).
All jokes aside, if we start to call Astrology "religion" then we can start calling everything religion and close down a lot of forums

[rat156]

Originally Posted by that_guy

I was quite mad when I saw an astrology book listed under Science in a local book shop... if i wasnt in a rush, i woulda complained right up!

Why? The study of planetary movements is science is it not? The interpretation of the results may seem to be unscientific, but do you KNOW that it's not correct? Apparently the universe is about 79% dark energy, of the remaining 21%, 16.8% is dark matter, that leaves 4.2% of the mass-energy of the universe that is detectable, or 95.8% that we have no idea about.

Yes, according to our current scientific understanding of the universe we cannot see any correlation between astrological projections and science, the outcomes of astrological projections have been tested and have essentially failed, but that is no reason to claim that it is "unscientific".

Remember that as science progresses many a firmly held scientific fact comes under question, Newtonian physics is not quite correct, quantum mechanics is also not quite right, most people don't understand that space and time are the same thing. Who knows what effects the movement of the planets has on us, I know that I feel happier when I see Jupiter high and bright in the sky, though that probably just means I'm looking forward to getting the scope out. I have a similar feeling when in away from home and I see familiar sights in the sky, when I don't have my scope, so perhaps there is some connection between the stars and planets and human nature?

Cheers
Stuart

[rat156]

Originally Posted by astroron

Stuart where is it stated or excepted that Astrology is a religion

If I said I believed in the FLAT EARTH can people not discuss this or even ridicule it, Your post is Correctness gone mad
Cheers

Hi Ron,

Never said that astrology was a religion, I said that I couldn't see the difference between the two.

The point was that if it's OK to poke fun at someones beliefs, then it's OK, so I should be able to poke fun at someone's religion (as this is a belief), or Bert's Pink Pussycat guider (Bert, you should upgrade to the Pink Panther, it's much more reliable and resistant to lack of faith). If you ban people discussing faith (i.e. religion) then it has to apply to all faiths, not just the popular ones.

It's also not about being PC, it's about the thing I hate the most, hypocrisy. That, without doubt, should be banned and exposed at ALL times.

Cheers
Stuart

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Lets test Stuarts theory

1) All Christians are fools becasue they believe in a miracle virgin birth and that the Universe was made in a week.

2) All Astrologers are fools because they believe our personalities and actions are determined by the location of objects in the heavens

Which of these statements would be moderated...?

Mike
just interested

[mill (Martin)]

Mike you do know it is el numero uno that will be moderated

[mill (Martin)]

Oops the universe was made in a nanosecond or less (as told to us by some people who think they know but didn't prove it yet positively ).

I see it like this: science is like religion, lots of theories and guessing but no concrete proof.
And with science i mean the astronomy science (you all know what i mean ).

If i say something or suggest something different about say dark matter or the speed of light i get jumped on real quick (ask xelasnave, he knows all too well ).
So science is a religion in a certain way
Now the moderaters can lock or delete this thread or let it die out

[avandonk]

My honest current belief is we are all in control of our destiny within the limits of our environment. We are not doomed to any sort of failure predetermined by things beyond our control.

To put any sort of credence in charletan drivel is beyond contempt.

You have the final say in where you go and what you do. Not some conjured pathetic superstition that passes for wisdom.

Any entity that says otherwise is just a glorified con man out for his own profit!


There is a big difference between science and religion. Science demands testable evidence, religion makes up it's own untestable dogma.





Bert

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

I was told by my parents that I was born under a " sign " which said....
" KEEP OFF THE GRASS " .......

[rat156]

Originally Posted by mill

I see it like this: science is like religion, lots of theories and guessing but no concrete proof.

Prepare to be jumped upon...

Science is NOTHING like religion in many important ways, to name but a few...
Science proposes a theory, it does not guess, theories are based on observations, a theory is a possible solution to a set of observations. Theories can never be proven, but can be disproven. Theories can be tested, if the experiment fits the theory, then the theory gains acceptance, until a better description comes along or the theory is disproven.

As such science is always prepared to admit it's got it wrong, religions never do.

Cheers
Stuart

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Jesus Christ, Allah and Amen to that, hallelujah and shalom... ...Large Hadron Collider..

OK that's enough.....

[avandonk]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Lets test Stuarts theory

1) All Christians are fools becasue they believe in a miracle virgin birth and that the Universe was made in a week.

2) All Astrologers are fools because they believe our personalities and actions are determined by the location of objects in the heavens

Which of these statements would be moderated...?

Mike
just interested

I personally think these beliefs are allegorical. Only a dimwit would take them literally.

Bert

Sounds plausible to me! Eccles

[mill (Martin)]

Originally Posted by rat156

Prepare to be jumped upon...

Science is NOTHING like religion in many important ways, to name but a few...
Science proposes a theory, it does not guess, theories are based on observations, a theory is a possible solution to a set of observations. Theories can never be proven, but can be disproven. Theories can be tested, if the experiment fits the theory, then the theory gains acceptance, until a better description comes along or the theory is disproven.

As such science is always prepared to admit it's got it wrong, religions never do.

Cheers
Stuart

As i see it a theory is a guess.
Look at it like this: A guess can be wrong or right untill it is proven.
A theory is also a guess but with a lot of calculations to make it look true.
Did anyone proof the big bang theory, string theory, dark matter?
Religions will also admit they can be wrong if they would only look at it in depth themselfs (the only problem is that they wont because of no peer reviews ).
However other religions will dismiss other religons as untrue, but that will not stop any religion from keeping believing.
A lot of people have the need to believe in something and so they turn to a religion.
So i say believe and let believe but dont have blind faith in everything said.
That is my own opinion and maybe not yours but i stand by it.

PS a theory can be proven.

Martin.

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

Back to astrology though. Which is what the thread is about.
Some of my best friends partake of the stuff.
I find it very hard to bite my tongue at times.
But if that's what floats their boat, well, I hope it makes them happy.
Just don't try to push it down my throat.

[avandonk]

Mill next time you get on a 747 which was designed by a guess think of all the flights that ended in tragedy.

bert

[snowyskiesau]

Originally Posted by jjjnettie

Back to astrology though. Which is what the thread is about.
Some of my best friends partake of the stuff.
I find it very hard to bite my tongue at times.
But if that's what floats their boat, well, I hope it makes them happy.
Just don't try to push it down my throat.

Agreed.
I used to share a house with someone who wouldn't start their day without reading their horoscope. I often used to read the horoscope to her from the paper - never the one that applied for her birthday, just any at random. She used to go to work happy.

Aren't I a a stinker?

[rat156]

Originally Posted by mill

PS a theory can be proven.

Name one.

Cheers
Stuart

[NeilW]

My local newsagent always puts S&T magazines next to the astrology mags, despite my protests...

[mill (Martin)]

And other aeroplanes

[OICURMT]

I have problems with the astrological community... can't tell you how many times I've stated that Astronomy is my hobby only to have someone tell me "Their Sign"... I immediately ask them for their birthday knowing I can probably confound and confuse them into a panic...

Since I'm not into any of this garbage, I carry this in my wallet for those special occasions. I love it when I meet an Ophiuchan...

Capricorn   : Jan. 20 – Feb. 16
Aquarius    : Feb. 16 – March 11
Pisces      : March 11- April 18
Aries       : April 18- May 13
Taurus      : May 13- June 21
Gemini      : June 21- July 20
Cancer      : July 20- Aug. 10
Leo         : Aug. 10- Sept. 16
Virgo       : Sept. 16- Oct. 30
Libra       : Oct. 30- Nov. 23
Scorpio     : Nov. 23- Nov. 29
Ophiuchus   : Nov. 29- Dec. 17
Sagittarius : Dec. 17- Jan. 20

Sometimes someone will notices that a Scorpio has only an 7 day window, making them a rare breed. On those occasions, I'll strike up a conversation about Astronomy and constellation boundaries (hoping to convert them )

I usually leave them after stating that I'm a Zymurgist...