Bit of a rant

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

Agreed Bryan.... Bone-lazy policing. One wonders how many burglaries they solved in the previous week.

Pro-Bono class action might be worth a try....

My sister and family had their camper van stolen from outside a motel in Caboolture - the gooses didn't lock it down. (They had stayed overnight in the motal to be at the Woodford festival early the next day.) After they discovered the theft some people in the house across the road teased my nieces about the van, as if they knew what happened. A car arrived and the driver said something that made it clear he knew all about the theft. They gave the coppers the address and the rego number of the car. Action??? Nil, nada, nix. They didn't even go to the house and ask questions.

[Louwai (Bryan)]

Originally Posted by torana68

unfortunately your there and the difference between you and the idiot seen in the area speeding is ? (not saying it was you) "riding too fast" and riding at 200k's are 2 different things one is a 'woops' the other is antiosocial behaviour that can and does end in death, death being fairly serious I would expect mr plod to enquire as to whats what if I was there, Id be quite happy to tell him and I doubt I'd get a defect or be bullied. They are there because of the actions of other bike riders, do you actively discourage the idiots who are the ones bringing all of you into discredit?

was your bike defected ? did you have to tow it? how exactly were you "bullied"?

No roger, I wasn't there on the day. The comment I made in the previous post was simply a scenario. But that scenario did happen to many riders. As I noted, there were well over 100 bikes there on the day. A typical Sunday lunch time.

The difference. I suppose the same difference as every other rider who was present that also did not commit the offence. Too often I have heard non-riders say "it's a bike, who cares, they probably deserved it".

The information I have is via approx 15 riders who are friends of mine who were there on the day. 3 of them were incorrectly defected as they have totally 100% off-the-shelf bikes. No modifications or adjustments at all.
1 of them ended up having to get his tank resprayed due to the paint damage caused by the defect sticker glue. Needless to say he is extremely annoyed.
The cost of this was less than his insurance deductable & so didn't claim it. If he had claimed it I'd like to see how the insurance company went about getting their money back form the Police dept.

[torana68 (Roger)]

Louwai No roger, I wasn't there on the day.

well then to me thats a little odd , it's all second hand hearsay and really best left to those that had first hand knowledge. been there seen all this and I know that everytime there was more to the story

The information I have is via approx 15 riders who are friends of mine who were there on the day. 3 of them were incorrectly defected

so 12 out of 15 were riding defectable bikes??? did i read that wrong? if I didnt this is why they are being targeted. I really cant see sticker glue damaging paint but where should a sticker be put? there arent too many non painted surfaces on a bike

The cost of this was less than his insurance deductable & so didn't claim it. If he had claimed it I'd like to see how the insurance company went about getting their money back form the Police dept.

you cant claim for damage from a defect sticker removal, mostly because you would find your insurance void for the bike being unroadworthy (due to the sticker). Its pretty easy to apply for costs to the police and complain but as it seems none have I can only assume that there is more to it and the defects on a whole were deserved. I really think you have been led down a path by some unhappy people who got caught out....if not then they should grow some and stand up by making their complaints in person to Qld Pol, its not hard to do.

[Louwai (Bryan)]

Originally Posted by torana68

Louwai No roger, I wasn't there on the day.

well then to me thats a little odd , it's all second hand hearsay and really best left to those that had first hand knowledge. been there seen all this and I know that everytime there was more to the story

The information I have is via approx 15 riders who are friends of mine who were there on the day. 3 of them were incorrectly defected

so 12 out of 15 were riding defectable bikes??? did i read that wrong? if I didnt this is why they are being targeted. I really cant see sticker glue damaging paint but where should a sticker be put? there arent too many non painted surfaces on a bike

The cost of this was less than his insurance deductable & so didn't claim it. If he had claimed it I'd like to see how the insurance company went about getting their money back form the Police dept.

you cant claim for damage from a defect sticker removal, mostly because you would find your insurance void for the bike being unroadworthy (due to the sticker). Its pretty easy to apply for costs to the police and complain but as it seems none have I can only assume that there is more to it and the defects on a whole were deserved. I really think you have been led down a path by some unhappy people who got caught out....if not then they should grow some and stand up by making their complaints in person to Qld Pol, its not hard to do.

Let me make it more clear for you.

3 out of the 15 were incorrectly defected. The remaining 12 were not defected at all.
All 3 which received defect stickers were subsequently inspected & the defect notice removed without any remedial work being required. This is because the inspector was well aware of the requirements & all 3 bikes were 100% legal to be on the road.

The sticker could be put on the Stainless Steel exhaust, or the glass headlight, or on the windscreen.
Any of which are in as easy reach as the painted fuel tank.

Why can't the damage be claimed??
The bike did not have a defect of any kind as proven by the subsequent inspection & removal of the defect notice without ANY remedial work required to be done to the bike.
Therefore it's proven that the bike was incorrectly defected in the first place.
This case, if worthwhile being taken to court, could easily be proven that the bike was incorrectly defected & therefore the damage caused by the placement of the sticker should never have happened

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

I'm not keen on bickering - there's a problem here that needs to be addressed.
The persons who were stickered incorrectly MUST front up with a complaint to the police ombudsman with a bill or receipt for the tank damage.
The easiest way to get redress is to contact your member of parliament and the police and the media with a CCd mail.

They'll be wonderful - for a while - problem is of course, as we all know, is that the police are then going to target you - as they target everyone who gets back at them for being thugs.

You have to watch your back for the next two years.

[Peter Ward]

Small claims division for the sticker damage to the fuel tank could be worth a try.

A magistrate could then decide whether the damage could have reasonably been avoided: eg Mr Plod could had attached the notice with tacks and a hammer & the effect would have been the same. Duty of care etc.

Costs about $120-$150 in NSW to run such a case yourself.

I took an insurer to the same court a few years back. Despite saying they would defend the case with vigor, the slack buggers never filed a defence...hence after 30 days got a default judgement in my favour. Got damages plus costs!

[Ric]

Hi Roger, I have seen first hand the effect of that type of glue on paintwork (not my own bike) and it has a pronounced effect on the finish effect as in the coat that give the gloss effect is removed.

In one case I have seen the paint come off as well.

I sure you wouldn't like to have such a sticker plastered across the bonnet or roof of your pride and joy.

[torana68 (Roger)]

Originally Posted by Ric

I sure you wouldn't like to have such a sticker plastered across the bonnet or roof of your pride and joy.

they go on the windscreen on cars plus I havent ever had one on a bike or car and probably never will ( I am a rider before anyone wanders off on the "not a bike rider" thing)

[Ric]

I wasn't suggesting that you weren't a rider Roger.

I know they go on car windscreens but imagine if it was stuck accross the bonnet, it would be the same as the tank of a bike.

Judging by your handle I'd guess your into Torana's as well, I have a 75 LH Torana also and if anyone stuck anything on that I'd probably be quite upset them to put it mildly.

Cheers

[torana68 (Roger)]

really if they stuck one on any painted surface of a car they are laible for any damage caused as thats not where they are instructed to place them, where Qld Pol put them on bikes I dunno but anywhere is going to be an issue, if I was to take the scenario on face value a complaint would be the way to go (and the correct thing to do) along with a claim for damage but as I said before seems they choose not to stand up for whatever reason (, no way till hell froze over would I shrug my shoulders and pay to have a tank repainted as per the story, just would NOT happen)
Torana's yes but no longer bikes only off road now and havent started one for a few years might have to put the telescopes in the shed and get the bikes out if this weather is going to continue.