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Old 19-01-2006, 06:05 PM
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What is the advantage of BMP over JPG?
More data to work with in the image allows you to change the format to a lower quality without losing to much of the quality. It all has to do with the Compression of the data in the image BMP less compression=very little loss of data, JPG high compression= greater loss of data.
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Old 19-01-2006, 06:07 PM
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ummm, right. OK.
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Old 19-01-2006, 06:23 PM
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More data to work with in the image allows you to change the format to a lower quality without losing to much of the quality. It all has to do with the Compression of the data in the image BMP less compression=very little loss of data, JPG high compression= greater loss of data.
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ummm, right. OK.
Put in astro terms on planets, the bigger image (BMP) you see in the eyepiece the more detail you see, the smaller the image (JPG) the less you see
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Old 19-01-2006, 06:26 PM
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So when we post them in here as JPG's they lose their detail again?
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Old 19-01-2006, 06:29 PM
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Yep they lose some of the finer detail when we post them in here but you wont notice it unless you have the original to compare it to.
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Old 19-01-2006, 08:09 PM
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I just downloaded the vid. There seems to be some motion blur roughly along the 11-oclock direction... but I see no drift as the video plays.. I think anything dimmer than the dimmest of the 6 stars has been lost to compression noise.
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Old 19-01-2006, 08:46 PM
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Ask Asi for the Disc Steve. It should all be on there. I checked it before I sent it to Davo. That's where Davo got it from to put it on the net.
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Old 19-01-2006, 08:51 PM
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What is classified as 'the trap' anyway? Where does the trap start & finish!?

I have an image just done of the main nebula I guess you would say with over 20 stars in it (yes, from your AVI Ken)

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Old 19-01-2006, 08:55 PM
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WOW! Show me quick!!! I wanna see it.

(Insert: 'jumping up & down excited' smilie)
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:02 PM
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You'll have to hang on a sec mate...I got stuff happening here. Back in 30 mins.
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:09 PM
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Ok!
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:10 PM
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My guess from looking at the video that there is no nebula at all in the data, just stars + noise. Any nebula you might bring out is just reprocessed noise. But I am just guessing after inspecting the frames from the video.
C'mon Asi, prove me wrong!
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:22 PM
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There's lots of neb in there. I reduced it in my PhotoShop version to get at the stars!

Here it is with a little bit of neb gas Steve.
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:31 PM
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Ok. We have grain, we have noise, we have artifacts & we have NOT round stars!

As far as I know, the 'trap' is the very center of the nebula....The main 6 stars you see on a good night in most scopes, so in that case this image counts for nothing.

These 3 are at different stages of processing in registax.
I have yet to stack & process with the trap in mind.

Can someone verify total exposure time on this AVI....I make it 6.92 seconds.
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i make it around 11 secs
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:43 PM
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It's written on the bottom right of the Avi program John. 11 seconds.

I know there is a lot of noise & NOT round stars, that's why I was hopig someone could do something with it, coz I can't. Bert found about 10 stars in the trap area when we looked on his pooter.

The Trap area is the immediate area in & around the 4 main stars at centre.
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:46 PM
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Ok, I'll give it a shot on the weekend with the trap in mind then. Thanks.
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:48 PM
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Wow Asi & Ken! That is impressive! I compared Asi's final version with a low-res Anglo-Aust scope shot I found without looking too hard and there is heaps of real detail in Ken's Toucam vid! I'm going to have to get into imaging!
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Old 19-01-2006, 09:59 PM
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Yay! I knew it was in there somewhere!!!!

Get a Toucam Steve! Hurry, the sky is wearing out

Well done Asi the extractor!
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Old 19-01-2006, 10:06 PM
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Get a Toucam Steve! Hurry, the sky is wearing out
It is??? Oh No! Leave some for me, guys!!
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