Moon mission hoax material.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

Here is conclusive proof pic's taken by LRO probe

http://www.universetoday.com/35083/l...ng-sites-w00t/

Case closed

Thanks for that... I did not think we could do that yet.

It is not about if they did or did not..I think my posting of my observation does not entitle anyone to assume I have a view that the Moon landing was fake..that is not my view...no one ever will know what I really think irrespective of the rants I have.it is about why is there no delay...so far the editing aspect provides an answer and suggests NASA must have taken time to make the footage nice for the public
alex

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Thanks for that... I did not think we could do that yet.

It is not about if they did or did not..I think my posting of my observation does not entitle anyone to assume I have a view that the Moon landing was fake..that is not my view...no one ever will know what I really think irrespective of the rants I have.it is about why is there no delay...so far the editing aspect provides an answer and suggests NASA must have taken time to make the footage nice for the public
alex

I felt you were a believer who wanted a conversation as we all do it's a good subject

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

I felt you were a believer who wanted a conversation as we all do it's a good subject

Warren I do not believe in anything and would hope that NASA would not dupe us...such is beyond even my active imagination....I am merely bored out of my wits because of this rain.

I enjoy hearing what others think and felt that my observation was curious and bound to get useful comment.


Clearly a delay is mandatory yet there is none (from my observations to date) and the suggestion that tapes have been edited is probably the most reasonable explanation I think of at the moment.

alex

[xelasnave]

OK here is another
Who panned the camera in shots where there are two in the field of view.
Alex

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

This explains that good question

http://lunarlandinghoax.com/2009/07/...unar-lift-off/

[mswhin63 (Malcolm)]

The picture is conclusive, radio transmission can be edited very easily. As mention by Bojan radio recordings are captured in one location so in real terms there will be no delay in one direction but 2 seconds delay in the other. Radio waves do travel at the speed of light or near enough to it, but to be realistic any audio captured would need to be listened to live. From that time on the radio traffic can be so easily edited, silence is not what people want to hear so a lot of the delays would have been easily cut. It is also now very easy to blend noise now. I have done this with a high level audio editing tools.

I would first like to listen to these recording, I could most probably determine they are true or not as my first 16 years of technical work was with HF, VHF, UHF 2 way radio communications before going into satelitte/microwave radio.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

This explains that good question

http://lunarlandinghoax.com/2009/07/...unar-lift-off/

Thanks Warren.
It was a shock to find someone else had wondered about that ...and that they used the observation negatively is a shame given your link.

Now if I was a hoaxer I would be arguing ..as they seem to do to any rebuttal of their approach...but I am happy with the result you provide.

Thank again.... so what is left to talk about as it is still raining...er can you fix the rain thing also please

alex

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

I wish I havent seen the stars for a month

[mswhin63 (Malcolm)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

OK here is another
Who panned the camera in shots where there are two in the field of view.
Alex

Remote telemetery and remote control has been around for a very long time. Noticed the delay in panning the camera and then delays trying to follow the trajectory. A lot of compensation required.

Originally Posted by supernova1965

This explains that good question

http://lunarlandinghoax.com/2009/07/...unar-lift-off/

Can hear the 2 second delays on this one.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by mswhin63

The picture is conclusive, radio transmission can be edited very easily. As mention by Bojan radio recordings are captured in one location so in real terms there will be no delay in one direction but 2 seconds delay in the other. Radio waves do travel at the speed of light or near enough to it, but to be realistic any audio captured would need to be listened to live. From that time on the radio traffic can be so easily edited, silence is not what people want to hear so a lot of the delays would have been easily cut. It is also now very easy to blend noise now. I have done this with a high level audio editing tools.

I would first like to listen to these recording, I could most probably determine they are true or not as my first 16 years of technical work was with HF, VHF, UHF 2 way radio communications before going into satelitte/microwave radio.

Hi Malcolm I feel a lot better about this with your input

What caused me to notice the lack of delay was listening to a commentary upon the Mars landers on the radio (ABC) and how the delay between Earth and Mars dictated their approach.

It is easy to take for granted things happen instantly on Earth but the way they have to program the Mars landers makes one realize that as fast as radio waves travel we can not operate the landers as if they were like a remote controlled model air plane or rc car etc ... it is easy to form an impression of someone sitting at NASA with a hand controller like we have with RC model planes etc driving a lander around the surface of Mars but the reality of delay causes an almost chaotic approach to downloading data from one days events and programing for the next days tasks.

Thanks again for your input
alex

[xelasnave]

I am a little disappointed that we did not get a hoaxer involved... I thought we may have of course...
alex

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I am a little disappointed that we did not get a hoaxer involved... I thought we may have of course...
alex

My Tafe IT teacher thought it was a hoax he also said we couldnt go to mars as we would have to travel through the asteroid belt when he said that I stopped arguing as he would bring me down to his level and beat me with experience

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

My Tafe IT teacher thought it was a hoax he also said we couldnt go to mars as we would have to travel through the asteroid belt when he said that I stopped arguing as he would bring me down to his level and beat me with experience

You have to know when to back off and it is very good that you have the wisdom to understand that at your stage in life.

I once had an argument with a solicitor (when I was an article clerk) in the office about a point of law... I sort of sucked him in knowing he would have a go at me and kept my proof to myself until the whole office became involved.
The boss called us all in..me, him and the three other solicitors in the office..he made his point and all..including the boss agreed he was right... I then pulled out my proof and the boss had to admit I was right... he even said "well you are a better lawyer than all of us"...guess what.. I was not well liked from that day on...that solicitor went out of his way to review everything I did and most of my time went to explaining to him why I did whatever this way or that on this occasion and ordinarily he would be right but in this case etc... my point is being right and rubbing everyone's noses in it did me no favors other than making sure I was always absolutely right each time every time as I had this guy hunting me.
No one likes smart a****
Maybe thats why I am always so agreeable

I thank all here today for the opportunity of having a chat.

alex

[DavidU (Dave)]

Buzz Aldrin in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

ta Dave, I'll check it out once my internet is up to speed.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by DavidU

Buzz Aldrin in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU

Thanks David ..the guy was full on in his verbal attack and I admit I would hate to have someone do that to me and still honor my mothers approach.

I bet it was the lawyers who won the day finally... did the victim sue Buz?
I would love to hear what the judge said... it would be a hard case to rule on thats for sure.

alex

[DavidU (Dave)]

Here is a quote about this.

" An exasperated Aldrin punched Sibrel in the jaw, which was recorded. Sibrel later attempted to use the tape to convince police and prosecutors that he was the victim of an assault. However, it was decided that Aldrin had been provoked, and (based on Sibrel's unfazed, nearly instant reaction to his camera man) did not actually injure Sibrel, and no charges were filed. Many talk show hosts aired the clip, making Sibrel the butt of jokes".

[bojan]

Alex,
I didn't even suspect for a moment you were talking about anything but original, non-edited footage...


BTW, Have a look at this website:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by bojan

Alex,
I didn't even suspect for a moment you were talking about anything but original, non-edited footage...


BTW, Have a look at this website:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Thanks Bojan, I think I am a member on that site but its been a while...
I had formed the opinion early today there was some stuff out there but I had no idea there was so much

mind you I think they (hoaxers) may have some valid points and if you buy the beer I will share my thoughts

Seriously I find it funny how folk can get so caught up pushing () a particular argument and funnier that their annoyance provokes any response at all from folk who know better. I bet that makes you laugh given my ideas about you know what...

If hoaxers gain any credibility it is from giving them any air time at all...let them rattle on and ignore them would be my approach... like Buz even though provoked he should have simply ignored that chap and not give him the time of day.

The Sun came out here..it is still raining however

I feel better actually ...I found the phone number of a lady who wants me to help her sail her boat and somehow going sailing seems more appealing than even gravity ...so wish me luck.

alex

[higginsdj]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

If you take the time to view the footage there are a number of examples of what I suggest which clearly show a no delay response.... I think what I point out is obvious if you take the time to look and listen ... I have been very careful not to go off half cocked and offer my observation which anyone can make ...

You provide no evidence or examples except for your word that it exists and expect everyone to TROLL through god knows how much footage to find 'something' that you can't account for!