Miscommunication on IIS

[CraigS]

Learning makes a difference …

Patience and respect make it happen .. perhaps (?) ..

.. oops !

Cheers

[casstony]

I think Ken and Marc are conspiring to make fun of my thread .

Seriously though, I've noticed a few gentle spirits on the forum who never seem to have anything bad to say; they set a standard for the rest of us to live up to.

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

Originally Posted by CraigS

For Ken;

Originally Posted by CraigS

I've found that the "Number of Posts" displayed results in vastly different treatments. Fascinating really. The medium strips discrimination based on age, sex, looks, ethnicity, and then re-establishes it upon other criteria.
…
The minute we take to the keyboard we are armed with a formidable weapon. We should respect its power.

Cheers

. . . and your point?

or rather, your accusation?

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

Originally Posted by casstony

I think Ken and Marc are conspiring to make fun of my thread .

Sorry Tony, no Conspiracy. Just trying to prove your theory is correct

[CraigS]

Originally Posted by ballaratdragons

. . . and your point?

or rather, your accusation?

Ken,

I'm no fighter and I'm no arguer.

I respect you and your numerous, generous contributions.

I admire you and your achievements.

I try my best to productively and positively contribute to these forums.

I am merely sharing from my experiences.

Cheers & Regards, Craig.

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

Originally Posted by CraigS

Ken,

I'm no fighter and I'm no arguer.

I respect you and your numerous, generous contributions.

I admire you and your achievements.

I try my best to productively and positively contribute to these forums.

I am merely sharing from my experiences.

Cheers & Regards, Craig.

and I thank you.

But why the attacks for merely attempting a small sarcastic humorous statement (go back and re-read my original post).

Are people really getting that tightly strung?

I too hate controversy and argument. That is why I stopped posting in here for almost 2 years.
I found it easier to not bother posting than to constantly argue.
Now I start posting again and look what happens.

Chill folks.

Tony, it's all your fault anyway for starting this experiment

[TrevorW]

Someone once said that unless you have something good to say don't say anything

As a lot of us don't really know each other, face to face, and written words can often be misconstrued, read out of text, I tend to view this banter with an open mind and think DILLIGAF

[CraigS]

Ken;

I think there may still be some bruises (or at least, sensitivities) from the recent events.

Tony has provided an outlet for relief/healing.

Thanks Tony … you're a wise man.

I find communications a very interesting topic ..
I'm lousy at it most of the time and I've been that way all my life !
I'm just here to learn about Astro, Cosmo and life.
I'm enjoying everyone's company.

Cheers

[casstony]

Another quote from the link in the first post:

"Be forgiving if miscommunication does occur. We all make mistakes—if someone does offend you, remember the difficulties of effective online communication. Likewise, if you offend, take the time to apologize and explain that you did not mean to wound. Common courtesies such as this really do go a long way."

It's well worth reading the entire article at the link. Remember that the miscommunication happens at both ends, the message being sent by the poster can be poorly worded or the recipient can misread the post, or both.

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

Someone once said that unless you have something good to say don't say anything

Yeah, how boring would that be , have you noticed the posts with agro get the most hits?.

Originally Posted by TrevorW

As a lot of us don't really know each other, face to face, and written words can often be misconstrued, read out of text

Oh, dont I know it , thank god for emoticons, when you remember to use them .

Originally Posted by TrevorW

I tend to view this banter with an open mind and think DILLIGAF

I had to goggle that, nice one, at least you view and with an open mind . Forums such as this are a social exchange, for entertainment, not just an information exchange, which would be deadly boring. I look forward to a bit of argy bargy, brightens the day, and can cause a good chuckle on occassions .

[CraigS]

No worries Tony ..

Ken, I apologise if my post implied to 'one up' you. That was never my intention.

Cheers

[casstony]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

Yeah, how boring would that be , have you noticed the posts with agro get the most hits?.
I look forward to a bit of argy bargy, brightens the day, and can cause a good chuckle on occassions .

Argy bargy is ok if you know the other person can handle it and is on the same page as you. Often that is not the case and the person on the recieving end can be distressed by poorly chosen words. Polite disagreement/constructive debate is a good thing, personal insult is not (eg. implying someone is a troll).

The main point of this thread is to point out that many unnecessary arguments occur through simple miscommunication - this is an area where we can all make improvement.

[wavelandscott (Scott)]

Remember there is also an "ignore" option that allows you to create a list of folks who's posts you can ignore...

[Screwdriverone (Chris)]

I think the easiest way to make your opinions clear, is to use grammar and punctuation!

That's what it's there for.



And an emoticon all by itself does wonders to increase the brevity of a post!

See what I mean??

Cheers

Chris

[iceman (Mike)]

Originally Posted by wavelandscott

Remember there is also an "ignore" option that allows you to create a list of folks who's posts you can ignore...

Very good advice.

[Hypnotist (Bartholomew)]

I felt insulted and I was hurt when some of you (you know who you are) started picking on me. Miscommunication is a terrible thing!

Bart

[CraigS]

Bart;

In my view, effective communication is a two way street.

On that street, one has to give a bit, to get a bit.

And then the responsibility lies with both parties.

Both have to yield, in order for progress to occur.

… in my view, that is. (And feel free to disagree with that view) ...

Cheers

[Barrykgerdes]

I have read through this thread a number of times to try to get at the real gist of it. It seems to me to be a veiled reference to some or a misquoted, poorly worded post or posts, posted by some person or persons unnamed.

I know there are a lot of "tongue in cheek" posts on this forum that may be construed as offensive. We tend to use emicons to convey that the post is not really serious. This is not always the case however. There are also some really nasty posts that have slipped by the moderators but this is what will always happen on a public forum. We just need to ignore them.

The language of this forum is understandably English probably the most diverse and complicated language there is. It is full of words that can have opposite meanings depending on context. It is for this reason that communication of thoughts in prose requires a really good grasp of this language to avoid miscommunication particularly in controversial subjects.

As English is no longer taught in schools as I learnt it, particularly where slang and jargon are filtering more and more into mainstream communication, I can see the problem becoming worse over time.

Barry

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

Originally Posted by Hypnotist

I felt insulted and I was hurt when some of you (you know who you are) started picking on me. Miscommunication is a terrible thing!

Bart

I was going to stay out of this, but this goes a little far. Your post started off by putting a fair few people on tender hooks. If you make a general claim that your brand of scope is better than someone else's brand of scope, then owners of that other brand are going to ask what gives you, with your level of inexperience, the right to claim it. A reference to some YouTube pages isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

A fair few people here, including myself Bart, gave you nothing more than their considered advice which they thought was relevant to your situation - right up to the point that you shot them down by chosing to insult them - dismissing their advice as nothing more than the result of "envy". You also stated that everyone else's advice was "useless". To add injury to insult you proceeded to argue on relevant semantics concerning "envy" and "jealousy". "Miscommunication" indeed. I mean, what the...? I'm not sure how you might think people were going to react to all this. An apology from you at that point would probably have gone a long way to repairing the situation. No-one had been anything other than courteous towards you up until then.

It's great to see that at least one person can give me useful and good tips out here in comparison to others who are just, how should I put it,...envious.

I don't think we should come here to express prejudice or envy and gripe about other peoples' decisions.

You claim to feel insulted - well, I'm afraid that so do those who were giving you some of their own thoughts - in an effort to help - whether they were all in support of your decision to go with what you have or not. You went on and on, without responding to anyone who you thought wasn't giving you what you wanted to hear, so many of us surmised that you were indeed a "troll" - someone who's main intent is to log onto forums and push their agenda and stir up trouble. A few of us are pretty sensitive to these people, and your pattern of non-response lead to that conclusion for many - me included.

Go and have a long hard think about how people might react to all of this. It's a two way street. I don't care how old you are - manners matter, and especially when its you asking for the advice. You're old enough to realise what you've said. Plenty of people come on here and ask for, and get advice, and are grateful for it. You weren't, and here we are. You could yet be a very valuable asset to this forum, and quite frankly I hope so. You seem to have the passion for it, and time will hopefully temper the discordant approach. I personally wish you well and hope that you do great things with the new gear. All I can end with is that I hope you have a decent camera - it'd be a real shame if you didn't intend to plug it on the rear of the beast.

[Alchemy (Clive)]

Originally Posted by Barrykgerdes

[SIZE=2]I have read through this thread a number of times to try to get at the real gist of it. It seems to me to be a veiled reference to some or a misquoted, poorly worded post or posts, posted by some person or persons

Barry

Probably due to a recent thread that was blocked, subsequently restarted and now removed completely. I presume it got completely out of hand.

On to other threads, probably the most misunderstood from my point of view anyway is in the imaging section, where advice on how an image could be improved, is taken as personal, I understand given the time and effort put into producing an image is considerable, only to have someone say you missed.... ( whatever) can be frustrating, but if the critique is considered and actions taken to improve it, ( note often the how to is included by someone) then you will find your images will improve. And it's NOT a personal attack.

My 2c worth for better understanding.