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Originally Posted by sjastro
So let me get this right.
(1) We don't know what a push particle is.
(2) We don't know what propels it.
(3) We don't know the origin of a push particle.
(4) We don't understand the push mechanism as collisions can neither be elastic nor inelastic.
(5) We can't classify it in Particle Physics.
(6) We can't isolate it in the laboratory.
But it's not a mythical material like "Dark Matter"
I'm glad you have clarified it Alex. 
Regards
Steven |
When you put it that way Steven it sounds as if you see no hope for the idea which surprises me
Still let me deal with the matters you raise.
1. That is correct.... but does that really matter in a speculation such that I indulge in... lets face fact we are not sure we can find the HB but certainly the HB could be a PP after all the HB is the particle that scribes the Higgs field..and what is the Higgs field..it is a field made up of Higgs bosens..how is one to see this field working I ask...are HBs sitting around not moving waiting their opportunity to give a particle mass..do sit in the voids ? are they maybe our dark matter?. how do they give a particle mass?...could it be that HB's fly around at near C to create the Higgs field which I submit would be the sort of thing I suggest. If we cant find them how do we know what they do or where they are..they are as illusive as PPs
If a push particle exists in its own right it may simply be something we already "know" about...even a neutrino sounds like a good candidate..and lets face it Steven Neutrinos and others have been suggested for dark matter ..I suggest that such an approach is not that different to mine...They dont know..I dont know but neither they or me need give up on the premise because we dont have the detail nailed down..if that were the case all speculation upon dark matter should be disregarded..
2. Do we know what propels dark matter? we dont know what it is or if it is there it exists because we are determined that attraction rules the sums... however if dark matter is say the neutrino it is clear what propels it.. i think it is clear.
I think PP will be somehow connected with the EMS ...but clearly anything on push is speculation...and I think most ideas start as speculation and someone asking..what if... now plenty of crap comes from such an approach but also plenty of valid discoveries come from someone speculating upon possibilities based on their observations and thinking...
I never suggest I have the answers but in this area given the little we know I do not see a problem. I know GR is complex etc but it tells us very little really and clearly fails us in some areas...we now have someone fixing it or fine tuning it..no problem but even so we still have not credible mechanism.
The graviton is a mere speculation I believe ..it has no lab experiment proving it does it? Even the HB is an educated guess at this point... I dont think any thing is rock solid when it comes to our understanding of matter.
3. We dont but if it is a neutrino we do
...if it is a HB we can work it out
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4. I saw something on the HB showing the HB running into a quark and I thought thats cool a PP would be the same maybe.
Again I speculate for I dont know but if for a moment the push idea was given any credit and other minds offered input as to why it could work rather than why it can not work more would be built...lets face it everything is built from an idea...GR BB etc is not different. AN idea is born an infant not fully developed and complete.
5. I dont know that anyone has or will try.
I imagine whatever would fit the bill will be very small and travel at near c and such an animal would not be easy to observe...and thats the case for neutrinos and HB..How long have they been monitoring their underground tanks of window cleaner or whatever they use...One such attempt I noted the other day..been years at it and only had one "flash"...
My point is simply no matter what one seizes up[on finding one is not easy at this level of smallness.
6.Look I did find one but being so small I lost it
Steven if we have so much difficulty in finding stuff we are reasonably sure is there (HB neutrinos ..er I think many particles are inferred by their decay trails) think of how much trouble we will have finding anything... it is no good to say ..find one..as if everything found to date was easy work.
Thank you for taking the time to provide regions to think about.
I appreciate you taking the time but think about what I have said... we can not unite the forces and have had a long time now and we are not going anyplace..is it such a bad thing to specualte upon a mechanism...I know we dont admit the aether but I suggest things would work better with that type of fram work.MM proved it was not there etc but I suggest that if we can not find the HB or the neutrino with a greater ammount of effort that we may have been too hasty to draw the conclusions that nothing meant nothing..there is always something and it is this something that we do not yet understand.
I appreciate your abilities and that math is central and you maintain a discipline to avoid speculation ..that is good..however rather than try to point out why such a concept could not work please indulge a speculation as to the many difficulties that universe such as I suggest would overcome...and finally it is only the concept of attraction that is causing problems..
It is clear galaxies are not held together by attraction but some external force (which must be a push one must conclude)...so we have a force strong enough to hold galaxies together but this massive force does little else..why would gravity work as a push at that level and not down here.
ANYWAYS I am one man how can I present a complete theory of everything no one has a model yet even S Hawking ..and Dr A tryed all his life...and many great men have not come up with all the answers so although I do my best I cant do everything.
DAm it you have got me going again ...I dont want to think about this stuff anymore...
AND may I round off with this....why did the pioneers slow using all we think we know...was it a jack russel event or could a mug like me have just got it a little right?
alex
and to this end I have searched for an experiment that proves such a force is real, and over the years I have asked for someone to point to an experiment that shows attraction is a force. To date I have no knowledge of any experiment that shows there is a force that we call attraction....and so I say there is no force of attraction but happy to hear why I may be misguided. I have followed your advice and read and read upon physics and although I am old and useless I can follow how we have arrived at where we are today..
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unfortunately I can not remember all the questions.
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..you must have one...gotta have something to chat about at parties
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