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Old 28-07-2010, 09:26 PM
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The gentlemen here appear ignorant of Ampere's solution, consistent with the classical electrodynamic model. The Ampre' Model, which can be found from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet "Two models for magnets: magnetic poles and atomic currents"

Here, I have described an Amperian Current.

That they leap to ferri, ferro, and magnetic domains, shows they have leapt beyond this understanding into a larger scope, for which their contribution is not incorrect.

Closer investigation of the mentioned model will give Carl his answer of why ferromagnetic material displays no current.

We can then go on to all things quantum, but essentially we are moving beyond what is required to explain observed phenomena that is in relation to this astronomical re-discovery, that is the Birkeland Current.

Cranky resistive debunking is simply not adding to our collective understanding of the thread on topic. Adam i thankyou for your polite approach, in the form of a question or query, of which i can try to point to what may help, or not. I can only try.

I look forward to see some insightful new discoveries, threads, and information sharing that will soon be appearing from these other obviously passionate apologists. or not?

Much like you all i am just a curious layman, sharing some interesting discoveries with relevant references, go research for yourselves, and make a contribution.

Edit: See above wonderful MIT lecture series, or http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teachin.../lectures.html
Beyond this, good luck with your individual investigations.
Doesn't matter what you tell him or point him to go to, you have the bull by the tail. I suggest that for the both of you, you pick up a book or two on basic physics and read up on magnetism....specifically ferromagnetism, which I am talking about. It has nothing to do with Ampere's models or any other model to do with electrical currents or electromagnetism. Alex, the simple fact that you do not understand what you believe you are talking about is clearly demonstrated in your attempt to try and make out that I don't know what I am talking about.

As you're so fond of pointing out, a simple look up of the said subjects anywhere on the net will bare out what I have written above.

Adam, if you want to know about all forms of magnetism, have a look at these pages...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism

and if you want to get more specific, read this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment

and if you want to know the clincher to this whole argument, here it is...

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Fundamentally, contributions to any system's magnetic moment may come from sources of two kinds: (1) motion of electric charges, such as electric currents, and (2) the intrinsic magnetism of elementary particles, such as the electron.
That highlighted portion is what produces ferromagnetism and what I and a number of others were talking about and trying to impress upon Alex (with no success)....not some ill and misinformed informed deference to point 1.




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Old 28-07-2010, 09:26 PM
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To familiarize the fundamentals from the men who pioneered classical electro-dynamics you'll have to go back to the early days of a company called General Electric, particularly Charles Proteus Steinmetz (in white) seen here with a very special man known to most here.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/PostImages...BB4967C66F.gif

What many people do not know, is that often in modern texts, this photo has been repeatedly doctored to have someone removed from it.

Ohh how the history of science can often be erased.

Here is the original photo, without the missing man.
http://www.divus.cz/images/umelec/tes04.jpg

10 points if you can name the man who was doctored out.

Unfortunately when dealing with the writings of Steinmetz, the man G.E. employed to come and study the 'missing mans' machines, quantum and c-limit causality cannot calculate some of his work.

All is not what it seems when you read all the way back to these gentlemen's original texts, i've had to dust of 1920's leather bound presses to see where some decisions of history were made.

Alex (the other alex) made a good point in another thread... Read wide, and trust no body with your personal investigations.
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Old 28-07-2010, 10:16 PM
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Old 28-07-2010, 10:32 PM
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Hah! Close...

Here's a clue... Einstein's old man lost an absolute packet of cash, and his company failed as a result of this missing man's inventions.
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Old 28-07-2010, 10:39 PM
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To familiarize the fundamentals from the men who pioneered classical electro-dynamics you'll have to go back to the early days of a company called General Electric, particularly Charles Proteus Steinmetz (in white) seen here with a very special man known to most here.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/PostImages...BB4967C66F.gif

What many people do not know, is that often in modern texts, this photo has been repeatedly doctored to have someone removed from it.

Ohh how the history of science can often be erased.

Here is the original photo, without the missing man.
http://www.divus.cz/images/umelec/tes04.jpg

10 points if you can name the man who was doctored out.

Unfortunately when dealing with the writings of Steinmetz, the man G.E. employed to come and study the 'missing mans' machines, quantum and c-limit causality cannot calculate some of his work.

All is not what it seems when you read all the way back to these gentlemen's original texts, i've had to dust of 1920's leather bound presses to see where some decisions of history were made.

Alex (the other alex) made a good point in another thread... Read wide, and trust no body with your personal investigations.
And now we devolve to conspiracies. What next, Alex.

In actual fact, trying to debate with you is a waste of time. You have been repeatedly shown the errors in your logic and the misinformed opinions you so dearly cling to are so far out on the fringe, that they, despite all the attempts at making out as though they have some viable alternative basis to clearly accepted science, are not only pure speculation at best, but horribly bad science for the most part at their worst.

Let's all look at the people who are the epicentre of this farce and charade.

David Talbott...received a B.S. (how appropriately put) degree in education and political science. Then did (maybe) one year of graduate studies in Urban Studies. An inveterate Neo-Velikovskian and publisher of a number of books based on Velikovsky's ideas. No formal training in any real science, yet he has repeatedly written on subjects related to astrophysics, planetary geology, celestial mechanics etc, in his books about catastrophism and alternate histories.

Wallace Thornhill...earned a degree in physics and electronics at the University of Melbourne, Australia, and began postgraduate studies. Before entering university he had been inspired by Immanuel Velikovsky's best-selling book, Worlds in Collision. Another Neo-Velikovskian.

Eric Lerner...Self styled "plasma physicist" (actually only has an undergraduate degree, a B.A. in physics). Eric Lerner is a principal in The Focus Fusion Society an organization that actively solicits funds in the form of donations from the public for research into plasma fusion energy systems. He is also a principal of Lawrenceville Plasma Physics, Inc which in its own words is a “consulting and communication corporation specializing in applications of plasma physics” which is raising funds by privately offering shares in itself. He's also a science writer and his written quite a number of sci-fi works, as well as fringe science subjects.

Don Scott...Retired professor of Electrical Engineering (electronics and semiconductor engineering).

Anthony Peratt...A professor of physics (plasma physics). Works at JPL.


Of all of them, only 2 (Peratt and Scott) could be considered learned enough to even consider taking any notice of. Even here, their ideas have been roundly criticised by the vast majority of their peers simply because they're making out pure speculation as having some veracity as an alternative to mainstream theories. However, they do have the runs on the board, so far as their reputations and credentials are concerned, and are respected to a greater or lesser extent in their own fields. However, that does not make their pronouncement on plasma cosmology anymore correct or fundamental than any other piece of speculation. The are wholly unproven, despite protestations to the contrary.

The others are no more than undergraduates who flunked out of anything more onerous and have no qualifications to really speak of in any of the fields they care to pontificate about. Their own ideas have not only been roundly refuted by mainstream science, even many of their own "alternative history/catastrophism" theorists have criticised their ideas, and the ideas of their progenitor Immanuel Velikovsky (whom, btw, was a psychiatrist by profession). Their ideas hold about as much currency as tarot cards, horoscopes and the tooth fairy. They're nutcases.

If you want to read about Plasma Cosmology, go here
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Old 28-07-2010, 10:46 PM
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Carl what are you on about?

I was discussing classical electro dynamics, not plasma.... If you care to look at the last post i wrote to you, i actually said you were correct about your quantum mechanics! Stop being a goose. Settle down or treat yourself to a leave of absence from this thread which is obviously causing yourself some form of discomfort. vote with your mouse.

If you don't like this thread... go start your own with something interesting.

Now... There is still 10 points on offer.

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If you want to read about Plasma Cosmology, go here
Or... if you don't want some biased defendist filth where "Science_Apologist" (a big bang defendant and wikipedia controller) maintains and excludes contributions from the above authors... so those who like a wiki-insulated view of the word can find their rantspiration.

Go to the horses mouth...
http://public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/TheUniverse.html
Los Alamos National Laboratory . Est. 1943.
Operated by Los Alamos National Security, LLC for the U.S. Department of Energy
National Nuclear Security Agency
Washington, D.C.

Told ya scientific history was interesting... we are seeing it unfold here... amazingly human...

Now... 10 points?

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Old 03-08-2010, 11:08 PM
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it's fridges all the way down guys. If you could look into a electron you would see an Atomic fridge (Like the space fridges we talked about before only smaller) now on those fridges there are tiny fridge magnets. Hope this clears things up for everyone.
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Nikola Tesla is the third man...oh to be an assistant in his lab.
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