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Old 02-07-2010, 08:32 PM
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:33 PM
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Ah huh...I suspect that should any one of a number of the things that you mention above suddenly hit close to "your" home a different tune might suddenly be playing...hmmm...?
That's just human nature Mike!
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:40 PM
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Ah huh...I suspect that should any one of a number of the things that you mention above suddenly hit close to "your" home a different tune might suddenly be playing...hmmm...?
Exactly, what if yr 24yr old became totally disabled, with a life time of medical bills and 24/7 care.

Its we take responsibility for our actions (my choice) or society.

NZ has a nifty answer, universal fixed compensation for specified injuries due to all the adverse effects of items you list in yr post Peter.

I agree with you though, Its getting more like the US here in OZ, a wish for freedom without the responsibility.

I vote for more democratic freedom without legal recourse to the consequences.
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No. Are they taking submissions? Does it pay well?
You could always start your own society, you would get quite a few members from this site I think
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Ah huh...I suspect that should any one of a number of the things that you mention above suddenly hit close to "your" home a different tune might suddenly be playing...hmmm...?
Dunno Mike, I've done a lot of lame things...but at the time they weren't against the law....delivered a massive ammount of fun...and learning or the experience of having: ringing ears, being bruised, battered, singed eyebrows etc. and knowng not to try that again.

The problem I have is I expect legislation to make sense, not catch votes, revenue or appease those that haven't got a clue. Vis: we has a councillor in "the shire" who sadly thought the Lucas Heights reactor was going to be another Chernobyl.... yet these people somehow get a say.
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:53 PM
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The problem I have is I expect legislation to make sense, not catch votes, revenue or appease those that haven't got a clue. Vis: we has a councillor in "the shire" who sadly thought the Lucas Heights reactor was going to be another Chernobyl.... yet these people somehow get a say.

Somebody votes all these people in who make all these laws/rules
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Peter,

Correct me if I'm wrong - don't you fly big jets around?

Hasn't that industry learnt from past mistakes - eg. Tenerife Airport Disaster? Wasn't the KLM Captain a bit of a rogue?

A parallel could be drawn to "cracker night". A lot of people did things safely, some didn't and disasters occured. Changes to laws were made as a consequence.

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... Changes to laws were made as a consequence.

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Sorry I disagree entirely. To quote Morris Iemma (ex NSW Premier) about hand held lasers:

"make no mistake...these could be used as weapons of mass murder"

Suffice to say the only threat was the (uninformed) media beat-up.
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So if the "potential for injury" wasn't the catalyst for laws against fireworks, what was?

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Old 02-07-2010, 09:22 PM
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Sorry I disagree entirely. To quote Morris Iemma (ex NSW Premier) about hand held lasers:

"make no mistake...these could be used as weapons of mass murder"

Suffice to say the only threat was the (uninformed) media beat-up.
Peter,As much as I agree with you about the beat up over laser use, if by chance a large aircraft was caused to crash by someone using a laser, I would label that mass murder
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:24 PM
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So if the "potential for injury" wasn't the catalyst for laws against fireworks, what was?

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A blanket ban on fireworks I see as another knee-jerk reaction. It was clearly too hard for (dim) legislators to put in place a system to prevent 6 year olds from buying/using 2 penny bangers without adult supervision.

But I sorely miss the joy of a Skyrocket, Roman candle etc. or two from my own backyard.

Perhaps we should lobotomize all but the party faithful, then we can be sure they won't get into too much trouble?
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Peter,As much as I agree with you about the beat up over laser use, if by chance a large aircraft was caused to crash by someone using a laser, I would label that mass murder
That's just totally buying into the BS Ron!
And the point of Peter's thread I think
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:28 PM
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Peter,As much as I agree with you about the beat up over laser use, if by chance a large aircraft was caused to crash by someone using a laser, I would label that mass murder
Aye carrumba.

Rocks fall from space and can hit aeroplanes as well....just because something is possible, does not make it mildly probable. An internal risk analysis was done at QF. Result: no risk.
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A blanket ban on fireworks I see as another knee-jerk reaction. It was clearly too hard for (dim) legislators to put in place a system to prevent 6 year olds from buying/using 2 penny bangers without adult supervision.

But I sorely miss the joy of a Skyrocket, Roman candle etc. or two from my own backyard.

Perhaps we should lobotomize all but the party faithful, then we can be sure they won't get into too much trouble?
One would have thought that as an adult you would have got past all that stuff
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Old 02-07-2010, 09:38 PM
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One would have thought that as an adult you would have got past all that stuff
The French call it: Joy de vivre. I think many Aussies could use some of it!

If you've lost childhood wonder and curiosity then game over IMHO.
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An internal risk analysis was done at QF. Result: no risk.
Was this information brought forward to the relevant people
Wasn't it the NSW Police who led the charge on this due to thier police helicopters getting zapped
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A blanket ban on fireworks I see as another knee-jerk reaction. It was clearly too hard for (dim) legislators to put in place a system to prevent 6 year olds from buying/using 2 penny bangers without adult supervision.
And how do you propose that ADULT supervision could always occur? In the good old days, didn't responsible parents supervise their kids with crackers? Disasters still occured and hence the ban.

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Old 02-07-2010, 09:48 PM
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Was this information brought forward to the relevant people
Wasn't it the NSW Police who led the charge on this due to thier police helicopters getting zapped
No, the relevant (Pilot) associations were not consulted as far as I am aware. The decision was made by the Pollies at the time (advised by a Bureaucracy and spin doctors that didn't have a clue).

The internal QF document was more concerned with OH&S and had the Math/Physics based on the most powerful hand held laser at the time (cost $A about $2000) not the $49.95 specials off E-Bay being used at McDonalds in Bexley. As I said. No risk.
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