The state of [Perth] society

[sheeny (Al)]

Originally Posted by Ric

Hi Mark, you can't beat the country life mate. Fresh air and dark skies and the only waste you'll see are the Skippy droppings.

I love it where I am.

I second that.

Just don't tell everyone, ok? (anyone into astro is fine).

Al.

[marki]

Well I have never experienced anything like this but do agree Perth is losing it's charm of late especially if you are old and unable to defend yourself or live within 10km of the CBD. I think it is fueled more by people being displaced to feed the ever speculative boom times as more and more people move into the state for work. During the last peak in minning operations people with full time jobs were living in shelters as they could not afford to pay the ridiculous rental rates being demanded. People who would normally be catered for by the shelters were cast out onto the street to fend for themselves. Add to this the ever growing meth market and you have a reciepe for disaster which we are seeing unfold before our eyes. Keeps the morbid tabloids busy though. I do remember the West Australian news paper having the headline "Death by Boom"...I think this pretty much sums it up.

Mark

[Screwdriverone (Chris)]

Originally Posted by Nesti

Sorry Chris, my fault...it was too condensed. The farmer's property was where we were based and operated the choppers from; the live fire range was actually 30km away. We needed the farmers' property as we needed a safe corridor to fly with live ordinance...so no people!

A little secret. Flora and fauna thrive in live fire ranges. The damage is quite small.

The biggest threat to the farmer's property was from our waste and when the choppers shut down (a valve in the combustion chamber opens and dumps the remaining fuel through an overboard drain pipe; so we placed buckets under the pipes).

AHHHHHH, I see, makes sense now, thanks for clearing it up Mark.

Now I am off to play COD6 Modern Warfare 2, just coz you got me in the mood to call in an AIR STRIKE!

Cheers

Chris

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by Screwdriverone

Now I am off to play COD6 Modern Warfare 2, just coz you got me in the mood to call in an AIR STRIKE!

Cheers

Chris

LOL...you guys and your computer games

Book yourself in for a few weeks at the Land Warfare Centre in Cunungra during mid-winter. That will rid you of your addiction.

[TrevorW]

Originally Posted by casstony

I think having to use fear is an indication that parents/society have failed our young. Provide a child with positive role models and a clear path to employment and the kid will probably do well; a lot of kids don't have either of those things these days. A strong cultural identity and coming of age rituals are also a little lacking in modern society. It's a complex picture.

I agree positive as well as negative reinforcememt are required but you can't have one without the other.

How children and adults behave is indicative of their upbringing

fortunately I have two law abiding university educated children who received both positve and negative reinforcement during their formulative years and I can be proud of them

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

I agree positive as well as negative reinforcememt are required but you can't have one without the other.

How children and adults behave is indicative of their upbringing

fortunately I have two law abiding university educated children who received both positve and negative reinforcement during their formulative years and I can be proud of them

Our son's one of the most liked and influential kids at his high school. But he wants us all to get out of this country. His mates are into drinking and smoking dope and he's finding it difficult to say no all of the time, preferring instead to stay at home on Friday nights.

Parties he goes to get gate-crashed all the time, in some cases, parents - who are there to make sure all is well - are getting bashed by the gate-crashers. Insane!

I was born and grew up in Perth. I lived away for 16 years but settled back here. I can't stand the place anymore.

[TrevorW]

I might get ridiculed for this but bring back national service it's way overdue

[GrahamL]

A touch over the top maybe Trev .. lets all just agree to stop pooping in Marks new wheely bin and see how it goes without the guns .

[Hans Tucker (Hans)]

Jeez...and I was complaining about always having to empty the crapper on a C130H during Duty Crew. On the B707 was worse...the coupling never mated correctly and you had to hold it on by hand..nice foul liquid running down your arm...ode cologne.

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

The contents of that bucket remined me of Sydney's west in the early 1960's...there was no sewage system, & the proverbial "night cart" cans...which was serviced weekly by the council...were a shameful reflection of this lack of infrastructure.

I recall said container got quite full one week, due extra family staying over. My mother also was ill at the time. It was a hot summer, and the dunny out the back was getting a little fruity!

My father called the Council from his work requesting an extra service call.

The Council's response was "once a week is all you are entitled to"

My dad, calmly requested that this be re-considered, as if he had to leave work to fix the problem, it would be fixed by him personally emptying the contents of said "can" into the foyer of the council's offices.

A service truck apparently arrived within the hour.

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by Hans Tucker

Jeez...and I was complaining about always having to empty the crapper on a C130H during Duty Crew. On the B707 was worse...the coupling never mated correctly and you had to hold it on by hand..nice foul liquid running down your arm...ode cologne.

C130/707...Reckon you'd know Truck Turner.

[Hans Tucker (Hans)]

Originally Posted by Nesti

C130/707...Reckon you'd know Truck Turner.

Tall, Barrel chest...chicken legs....Engine Fitter (or was he a Framie )...Yep from my 2FTS days.

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by Hans Tucker

Tall, Barrel chest...chicken legs....Engine Fitter (or was he a Framie )...Yep from my 2FTS days.

That's the man! LOL...think he was originally a sumpie.

I knew him from Singapore AF jet trainers.

Geez, small world.


Talk about flash-backs...I still remember TDIOC units from RAAFSTT days...how bad is that for brain-washing.

[Paul Haese]

Originally Posted by Nesti

Parties he goes to get gate-crashed all the time, in some cases, parents - who are there to make sure all is well - are getting bashed by the gate-crashers. Insane!

As ex army I have my ideas about discipline. The soft feable minded, civil liberties types have completely no idea whatsoever what they are talking about. Kids know all their rights and not one of their obligations in general. There are exceptions of course, but on the whole youth today are not the god fearing (coppers or our fathers) youth of my day. Yes violence is not the way in general but young men are like wild dogs; if one gets out of line the alpha male chomps him. The coppers now are too scared to go into certain areas of even little old Adelaide, because their power to police is so watered down it might at well be non existent. Lots of young men don't respect their fathers much anymore, I was scared witless of what my father would do to me if I misbehaved during the day. Kids seem to care less now. People want others to "talk stuff out". The Courts don't hand out harsh penalties (some yip got 2 years the other day for killing another person in his car when he collided with a tree at 160kph. That is a real statement to youth that there are no consquences to arrogant stupid behaviour.

Several years ago I confronted three youths for tagging in Blackwood (its a small hills community). Before I knew it there were 30 children ranging in age from 10 years to about 17 and all armed with pipes, timber lengths and cricket bats. My immediate instinct was to give them an ultimatum. I advised them that while they would most likely kill me, I was going to take out the two oldest ones first. I was very lucky that my threat looked like I could carry it through and they backed away while I did the same. It said to me what a wild pack of savages we as a community are breeding.

I think Jack Johnson said it perfectly, "if it's hell what you want, then its hell what you'll get". We are not providing enough discipline, at some point giving idol threats has to give way to actual action. If not many of you in the cities will face violent crimes before you leave this planet. Choice is yours, make a complaint to the relevant authorities in your city.

[WadeH (Wade)]

Unfortunatly we are all reaping the rewards of the crazy political correctness of the 80's and 90's.

Social engineering, you can keep it!

[astroron (Ron)]

I was over in WA for nearly two months late last year, and I was disgusted with the mindless vandalism of the train carriage windows by idiots scratching their tags into the glass.
I am glad I live in the country, where I am oblivious to this crap
If these people are caught they should be made to pay for the damage,or if they have no money, put on a Chain Gang out in the country making roads away from civilization.

[marki]

As an educator I can tell you from my observations most kids do know the difference between right and wrong and have been well directed by their parents. As usual it is the one percenters that cause most of the trouble and even this is a general sweeping statement. Many of these kids are from broken homes, violent homes or even worse no home at all ( I have taught many such kids). They recieve no guidence and are left to their own means so just make up thier own rules. Drug and alcohol abuse are major factors which lead to crime and other deviate behaviours. Parents...teach your children well and perhaps we can survive this kaos created by limp wristed ledgislators and overly leaniant courts.

Mark

[Nesti (Mark)]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

As ex army I have my ideas about discipline. The soft feable minded, civil liberties types have completely no idea whatsoever what they are talking about. Kids know all their rights and not one of their obligations in general. There are exceptions of course, but on the whole youth today are not the god fearing (coppers or our fathers) youth of my day. Yes violence is not the way in general but young men are like wild dogs; if one gets out of line the alpha male chomps him. The coppers now are too scared to go into certain areas of even little old Adelaide, because their power to police is so watered down it might at well be non existent. Lots of young men don't respect their fathers much anymore, I was scared witless of what my father would do to me if I misbehaved during the day. Kids seem to care less now. People want others to "talk stuff out". The Courts don't hand out harsh penalties (some yip got 2 years the other day for killing another person in his car when he collided with a tree at 160kph. That is a real statement to youth that there are no consquences to arrogant stupid behaviour.

Several years ago I confronted three youths for tagging in Blackwood (its a small hills community). Before I knew it there were 30 children ranging in age from 10 years to about 17 and all armed with pipes, timber lengths and cricket bats. My immediate instinct was to give them an ultimatum. I advised them that while they would most likely kill me, I was going to take out the two oldest ones first. I was very lucky that my threat looked like I could carry it through and they backed away while I did the same. It said to me what a wild pack of savages we as a community are breeding.

I think Jack Johnson said it perfectly, "if it's hell what you want, then its hell what you'll get". We are not providing enough discipline, at some point giving idol threats has to give way to actual action. If not many of you in the cities will face violent crimes before you leave this planet. Choice is yours, make a complaint to the relevant authorities in your city.

Yeah, well said Paul.

A short story: A couple of years ago the family and I went to Thailand. While in Bangkok, we were headed to one of the bigger shopping centres when we felt an weird silence. Everyone, and I mean everyone was standing still and completely silent. The traffic had moved off the road and all engines were turned off...totally weird as 1 min earlier it was manic. We whispered to young school girl asking what was happening, and she replied "Royal Family". A few moments later and a small motorcade of police bikes and white Mercs zoomed past. 30 seconds later and it was Bangkok as normal.

How is it that every single person in the street, no matter how busy, took the time to pay their respect?! And would you ever see that level of respect here in Aust?!

Thailand isn't paved with gold, there is crime and some violence (Gov related), but the average person, of all ages groups, has respect.

National Service time perhaps!