Errr Dougie, I would very much like to run out there tomorrow and do it, just have to convince the little lady of the house that this is the way to go.
She tells me she cant even handle the machine she has now, how in the hell am i going to operate an IMac.
Easy dear I tell her, you would be a master at it in no time.
Mate I think it will happen, just have to unload this machine. and a few things.
can i just say i think the telling thing is that no PC guys have come in to bat for their workhorses..yet if you start bagging mac's their users (me included) will fight to the death to uphold their honour
can i just say i think the telling thing is that no PC guys have come in to bat for their workhorses..yet if you start bagging mac's their users (me included) will fight to the death to uphold their honour
I only fight for things worth fighting for if I had it my way I would go out right now and buy a Mac. But I have had to build all my home computers and Mac parts and old machines don't get recycled as much as PC bits so the resilience of MAC's is working against me. Another good advertisement for MAC's and their operating system.
The Mac v PC argument has been around for nearly 30 years now and we all have actually profitted by it.
Back in the early 80's comuters were based on 8 bit processors using the Z80 cpu and then the 8086/8088 that had a 16 bit capability or the Apple system that used the Motorola chips. The other systems that were less flexible eventually went.
Both systems had their adherents. Apple was the smaller guy who came up against the corporations.
In 1982 IBM released the PC which brought computing into the new world of IT. Apple still produced its product and kept on improving it but IBM's open architecture design allowed cheap clones to be made of the PC and so it cornered the market.
Apple concentrated on home computers that were complete and the IBM clones went for the user upgradeable line.
The corporate use of the IBM machines meant that more software was developed for these machines than the Apple line but the many configurations of the PC that appeared meant that all programs did not work on all machines. However Apple developed its own suite of programs that emulated anything that was available for the PC and it did work on all its products.
Over the next 25 years both systems progressed to what we have now although Apple transfered to the Intel series of chips that had been used by the PC.
However we now have virtualisation that allows programs to be universal and work on either system.
The big difference now is price. Apple computers seem to run at about twice the price of the cheaper Chinese clones but do seem to be more reliable than the PC clones. However without the original open architecture of the IBM PC that allowed cloning all these computers would now be at least twice the price they now sell for.
I personally prefer the do it youself PC clones because they suit my experimenting better but for non technical people I believe the Apple is a better proposition and its graphical interface is extremely good.
I personally couldn't justify the cost of an iMac.
LOL! Not when you go splashing thousands around on new CCD cameras Humayun.
Using a Mac is about the experience. Unless you've used one in earnest, and that doesn't mean a quick tinker at JBHiFi, you'll not understand where they come from. Simply comparing apples with apples isn't going to show you the benefits. Both Windows machines and Macs do what you need them to do. Jaguars and Holdens both get you from A to B too... It's in the fine detail that Macs win hearts - and there's plenty of it. Macs are for people who appreciate the machine and the work that has gone into the hardware to make it look great as well as work great. Is that necessary? Probably not - but neither is a sports car.
Don't get me wrong -- I'd love one. I'm constantly eyeing them.
Thing is, as you've mentioned, is it a necessity? Nah. Are my images that horrible that I need to use a Mac to improve on them?
I know how awesome the user experience is. But, at the end of the day, Windows7 and IRIS and Photoshop are doing what I want them to do. And, quickly!
The only other things I run are Starry Night Pro Plus, an MP3 player and a browser for YouTube, IceInSpace and photography/art web sites.
Again, I can't justify the cost at the moment. Please don't take my comment as bagging or disparaging the Mac -- I guess Daniel just invited me to play devil's advocate and I obliged. For $1,200 I have a machine with oodles of RAM, a good quality video card, and a couple of OSs that don't skip a beat (Solaris 10 and Windows7).
The money spent on the CCD was a now-or-never type situation.
Please don't take my comment as bagging or disparaging the Mac -- I guess Daniel just invited me to play devil's advocate and I obliged. For $1,200 I have a machine with oodles of RAM, a good quality video card, and a couple of OSs that don't skip a beat (Solaris 10 and Windows7).
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Wasn't taken that way at all Humayun My comment was made in general context, and not in reaction to anything.
I only fight for things worth fighting for if I had it my way I would go out right now and buy a Mac. But I have had to build all my home computers and Mac parts and old machines don't get recycled as much as PC bits so the resilience of MAC's is working against me. Another good advertisement for MAC's and their operating system.
Isnt it amazing how the world works I just posted this yesterday and what should turn up at the local recycling center but a PowerMac G5 with 2gig of ram and a good graphics card I haven't seen it yet I will pick it up tommorow. I am nearly jumping out of my skin with excitement I hope it works. Can anyone tell me about this model I think it is the 1.8 mhz with 2 processors dual core 64bit. The only thing missing is a HDD which is the thing you want to be missing as you can use any HDD to replace it
Isnt it amazing how the world works I just posted this yesterday and what should turn up at the local recycling center but a PowerMac G5 with 2gig of ram and a good graphics card I haven't seen it yet I will pick it up tommorow. I am nearly jumping out of my skin with excitement I hope it works. Can anyone tell me about this model I think it is the 1.8 mhz with 2 processors dual core 64bit. The only thing missing is a HDD which is the thing you want to be missing as you can use any HDD to replace it
I've used this one at home Warren since I bought it in 2003. It's been used daily for graphics-intensive work and it has NEVER missed a beat. Not one. Seven years old and I still use it as my main machine. I've had numerous PC's around the house and none survived during that time - not even the Q-9550 QuadCore. I'm expecting a 27" i7 iMac next week, but I'll be keeping the DualG5 forever.
It's the the dual-processor 1.8GHz G5 tower (900MHz bus), but mine has 4Gb of RAM onboard. It has a GeForce FX5200 as standard, and is a great display card for its day.
You'll LOVE it. The best of PPC-based Macs, and running Leopard it's as STABLE-as. Even when they went to 2.7GHz, they really weren't noticeably faster. Well, maybe a tiny bit. One thing I love about these is how fast they go to sleep. Mine goes to sleep in about a second - and wakes up in the morning in five. They are as quiet-as, with the fan noise almost imperceptible until the processors need a little cooling once in a while, when you hear the "turbo" whine for 10 seconds until they cool again. The internal air baffle is beautifully crafted, and air moves through the machine superbly. Also - not a cable in sight as they're all hidden from view. Just typical effort and detail they go to.
The hardware is the best I've ever seen in a commercial system - the "Takahashi" of the desktop computer world in my opinion. The cabinet quality is simply stunning, and it's a work of art inside - as though it's machined from billet aluminium. Quite incredible industrial design. Bung in a 1Tb SATA drive for a hundred bucks or so and away you go. Make sure you do run Leopard, because you get multiple desktops and all the new trinkets. Mine's a little beaten up as I used to drag it into the office every other day for nearly two years. A laptop just didn't have the power.
Here's mine with my MacMini on top. It, too, is a good little machine, and I'm configuring it as my astro field machine, running Windows XP under GuestPC. Not bad - running XP on a PPC!
I'm expecting a 27" i7 iMac next week, but I'll be keeping the DualG5 forever.
Sweet machine I hope it gives you just as many good years as the G5. I have a couple of G4 Mac's that I have to see if I can get working but I think they will be waiting for a while now that I have the G5 to play with.
Sweet machine I hope it gives you just as many good years as the G5.
I need the i7 iMac because it's Intel-based. Adobe's CS4 InDesign and Aperture only run on an Intel now - they are no longer Universal apps, unlike Photoshop. Same for the Topaz Labs Photoshop filters. That's progress I guess!
By the way what sort of cooling is it I heard that they can have water cooling I kind of hope not as it might have leaked and wrecked the computer and that is why it has been thrown out.
Nah - you won't need to worry. The 2.5GHz Quad PowerMac G5s, with the four CPU execution cores had liquid cooling, not the dual-single core models like ours.
Yours has probably been discarded because it's just, well, old now! There are far faster machines on the block these days. It still doesn't detract from the G5's real-world performance though, they are still plenty quick - especially with graphical applications.
The liquid-cooled CPU assembly - pretty freakin' funky for its day:
Leon - my apologies for diverting the original thread. It's turned into a bit of an Apple-fest. Sorry!
I picked up my new 27" iMac QuadCore this afternoon.
Along with it came a 1Tb Time Capsule backup drive system and a 160Gb Apple TV!!!
All I can say is that I'm gobsmacked by the display and speed of the thing. The 2560x1440 screen is simply the best I've ever, ever, used - bar none. It's simply gorgeous.
I picked up my new 27" imac quadcore this afternoon.
Along with it came a 1tb time capsule backup drive system and a 160gb apple tv!!! :d:d:d
all i can say is that i'm gobsmacked by the display and speed of the thing. The 2560x1440 screen is simply the best i've ever, ever, used - bar none. It's simply gorgeous.
how in the hell am i going to operate an IMac.
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so the resilience of MAC's is working against me
. Another good advertisement for MAC's and their operating system.
My comment was made in general context, and not in reaction to anything. 
