Forum Experiment - Mind and Intent - Page 2

Nesti (Mark) · #21 03-11-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MrB

Untill I saw the above, I was in.

You will need to read 1 - 2 pages tops.

Is that okay...in or out?

Nesti (Mark) · #22 03-11-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gargoyle_Steve

There's a few things in my life I'd like to try to change, so I'm willing to try this experiment.

One of those things I do want to change is how little time in my life I seem to have to do anything except work and sleep and "recover" from 12 hour shifts - so I need to ask will I have to actually READ the entire 99 page (or larger) document?

To put it simply, I won't have time to read anything that size. I haven't read a single whole book in the last 4 or 5 years I guess, Sad, isn't it? I just can't find the time anymore. I used to read every night, at least a book or 2 a week. These days I'm lucky to skim through an astro mag long enough to look at all the pictures, let alone read the articles.

1-2 pages mate, simple stuff.

You in or out?

renormalised (Carl) · #23 03-11-2009, 11:58 AM

And to confirm Mark's 7 points, they are, indeed, on page 99 of the book. All we have to do is cut and paste them here so everyone can read them.

Nesti (Mark) · #24 03-11-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by renormalised

And to confirm Mark's 7 points, they are, indeed, on page 99 of the book. All we have to do is cut and paste them here so everyone can read them.

Thanks Carl.

Correct, I'll cut-n-paste them into another thread and write the final piece on how to initiate the mechanism (mechanism in that you can set a time-frame for when you want such-n-such to happen).

Still need lots more people, people!

DJDD · #25 03-11-2009, 01:41 PM

I'm in

three questions:

1. what sort of things are we looking to change,
e.g.. become better at something (e.g. a language)
or obtain something like a new car?
or move something with our mind (jedi-style)

2. what does it mean if the results are positive?

3. what does it mean if the results are negative?

Nesti (Mark) · #26 03-11-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJDD

I'm in

three questions:

1. what sort of things are we looking to change,
e.g.. become better at something (e.g. a language)
or obtain something like a new car?
or move something with our mind (jedi-style)

2. what does it mean if the results are positive?

3. what does it mean if the results are negative?

Cool.

1. Don't expect to become an astronaut...it needs to be something that you are in a position to have or experience. Try not to be specific in how you attain it, nature will tackle that, only what you wish to have or experience. Asking for a new car is fine. Don't expect to get it for free though, just expect that something may happen which puts you in the position to attain it without much effort. Example: a student who is broke would really like to visit home for christmas but the airfare costs too much. Student asks that this be resolved. The student uses the techniques, and then the student must be open and observant watching-out for what comes their way...get it? In your case, if you only have the money for 1/2 a new car, then run with that. I will give you instructions on HOW to do it in due course. A new car for free is a tall order, but not impossible...someone may gift it to you (you'll need some good karma in that case).

2. If positive, it's a positive result, you somehow get what you asked for, somehow, that's all.

3. If negative, it's a negative result, nothing happens, that's all.

What we are looking for is a group trend, an increase from our initial baseline testing, the first week as opposed to the second week.

Not everyone will get what they ask...but that's not the point...we just want to see a difference between thinking it in the first run against using the tools I provide in the second run.

Make sense?

Many people on this planet are good people. They clock-up good karma (if that's what it is) into their karma-bank daily. What these people are missing is only the knowledge of how to MAKE A WITHDRAWAL, that's all !

DJDD · #27 03-11-2009, 02:12 PM

ok, so we won't learn any jedi mind tricks?

anyway, I'm in.

Nesti (Mark) · #28 03-11-2009, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJDD

ok, so we won't learn any jedi mind tricks?

anyway, I'm in.

LOL,

Sorry mate, that's just a movie...there's no convincing people that you may pass a road block, have access to castle of the 'Hut', or lifting X-Wing fighters out of Dagobah swamps.

This is purely based upon what is actually possible for you...but somehow it never seems to come your way.

We will be influencing events and interactions within our lightcone as I have described within my posts, nothing more.

Nesti (Mark) · #29 03-11-2009, 02:26 PM

News flash!

For two weeks I've been asking for more numbers for my book launch in late Jan 2010. I can get around 150-200 myself but want to pack the people in for more excitement.

I stopped off at my usual cafe after a bike ride and had a coffee.

A guy I see there regularly was there and we had a chat. I invited him and his partner to the launch. He asked what it was about and I told him.

He told me that he works for a movie production studio in Hollywood and looks after business here in Aust. He wants to promote it through his database of usual clients...he can get me another 100-200 people to attend. I look good, he looks good and everyone that goes will should have a great cocktail evening. Win-win!!!

THAT is the type of request/outcome example which you need to be looking for...no, you cannot have a Melbourne Cup winner.

renormalised (Carl) · #30 03-11-2009, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJDD

ok, so we won't learn any jedi mind tricks?

anyway, I'm in.

Jedi mind trick...load of tosh!!!, What Luke didn't notice was that Obi Wan slipped the Imperial soldier a bag full of credits

Then again, I suppose a big enough bribe would play "tricks" on anyone's mind

Gallifreyboy · #31 03-11-2009, 03:00 PM

Sorry to be a party pooper, but the premise that 25 self selecting subjects with anonymous self reported fulfilment of secret thoughts is scientific....please. There is more accurate science in the TV shopping network ads. At best this is mildly entertaining for people with time on their hands, the agenda behind this may be a lot more than that....anybody for a free personality test....

Is IIS forums the place to recruit people for this?

Nesti (Mark) · #32 03-11-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gallifreyboy

Is IIS forums the place to recruit people for this?

Of course it is...the IIS forum was were the issue originated. You're in the 'General Chat' section ya know.

"free personality test"...I've never had anything to do with Scientology. The technique I'm referring to comes from early Hinduism.

In essence I was asked to put-up or shut-up...I chose to put-up...and you're trying to block my attempt to show people that what I'm saying has merit and to defend my case which I had previously put forward.

I'm prepared to be right, and more importantly, I'm prepared to be wrong...what are you doing, just throwing rocks and kicking tires???

It seems this forum contains 50% people which want to learn something and 50% people who just want to have an argument about anything. At the end of the day I lose nothing whichever way it goes.

White Rabbit · #33 03-11-2009, 03:26 PM

Yeah I'm in, although it sounds a lot like the "what the bleep" or "The Secret" to me.....

but hey if it can help me focus on changing things then yeah, I'm in.

Shano592 (Shane) · #34 03-11-2009, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by multiweb

8kg to lose in 8 weeks before Xmas.

Marc, just get a bout of gastro, and that 8kg will be gone overnight!

Nesti (Mark) · #35 03-11-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

Yeah I'm in, although it sounds a lot like the "what the bleep" or "The Secret" to me.....

but hey if it can help me focus on changing things then yeah, I'm in.

Yes, it does sound along the same line, I will admit that. Which is my greatest hurdle...the concept has been abused.

You've got to remember though, that the two things you mentioned were actually a 'Marketing Phenomenon', and with almost no content. Both have been criticized with misrepresenting science and people's interviews in their making.

What I have tried to do is offer a possible mechanism with which intent connects with matter. Ana actual physical model of the connection. A far cry from just pointing to x, y and z, and saying that they are intrinsically connected…somehow!

I’m not out to prove anything, you can’t, I just want to show a correlation, a trend.

Great that you’re in.

Cheers

Nesti (Mark) · #36 03-11-2009, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shano592

Marc, just get a bout of gastro, and that 8kg will be gone overnight!

Holographic Gastro ??? That's scary!

Nesti (Mark) · #37 03-11-2009, 03:39 PM

Half way mark past...that's 13 so far.

No ladies yet I see?!

FredSnerd (Claude) · #38 03-11-2009, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesti

Cool.

1. Don't expect to become an astronaut...it needs to be something that you are in a position to have or experience. Try not to be specific in how you attain it, nature will tackle that, only what you wish to have or experience. Asking for a new car is fine. Don't expect to get it for free though, just expect that something may happen which puts you in the position to attain it without much effort. Example: a student who is broke would really like to visit home for christmas but the airfare costs too much. Student asks that this be resolved. The student uses the techniques, and then the student must be open and observant watching-out for what comes their way...get it? In your case, if you only have the money for 1/2 a new car, then run with that. I will give you instructions on HOW to do it in due course. A new car for free is a tall order, but not impossible...someone may gift it to you (you'll need some good karma in that case).

2. If positive, it's a positive result, you somehow get what you asked for, somehow, that's all.

3. If negative, it's a negative result, nothing happens, that's all.

What we are looking for is a group trend, an increase from our initial baseline testing, the first week as opposed to the second week.

Not everyone will get what they ask...but that's not the point...we just want to see a difference between thinking it in the first run against using the tools I provide in the second run.

Make sense?

Many people on this planet are good people. They clock-up good karma (if that's what it is) into their karma-bank daily. What these people are missing is only the knowledge of how to MAKE A WITHDRAWAL, that's all !

Mark

I was under the impression that this was just some sort of impromptu informal experiment you were doing. But I’m not so sure now that this is what this is. It appears that maybe you may wish to make your results of this public in some way to ultimately promote your “theory”/religion. If so I don’t want to be involved. I think maybe you should spell out for people what use you intend to make of the “results” of this exercise . And most importantly what methodology you propose for determining your results. For example where someone wills themselves to get a car and instead they win $100 in lotto are you going to say that they got what they wanted. And I’m not talking about whether you intend to make peoples name public but whether you intend to make the results (as you determine them to be) public. I gave up religion/sprituality years ago and I hope you can understand that I’m not going to be party to helping put that monkey on peoples back again.

regards

Claude

Nesti (Mark) · #39 03-11-2009, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredSnerd

Mark

I was under the impression that this was just some sort of impromptu informal experiment you were doing. But I’m not so sure now that this is what this is. It appears that maybe you may wish to make your results of this public in some way to ultimately promote your “theory”/religion. If so I don’t want to be involved. I think maybe you should spell out for people what use you intend to make of the “results” of this exercise . And most importantly what methodology you propose for determining your results. For example where someone wills themselves to get a car and instead they win $100 in lotto are you going to say that they got what they wanted. And I’m not talking about whether you intend to make peoples name public but whether you intend to make the results (as you determine them to be) public. I gave up religion/sprituality years ago and I hope you can understand that I’m not going to be party to helping put that monkey on peoples back again.

regards

Claude

I'm doing it to prove my point to people on this forum that there's more out there than just what science tells us there is.

2 dozen people on a forum is nothing to go public with. LOL I can get 500 with a small ad in the Nova magazine.

Your call.

DJDD · #40 03-11-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nesti

I'm doing it to prove my point to people on this forum that there's more out there than just what science tells us there is.

since I do not actually believe there is "more out there" will that invalidate the results? that is, do I need to believe there may be more out there?

I am not a paid up member of the sceptics society but...

and I would prefer to learn how to do jedi mind tricks as what you have said earlier does sound a bit like "The Secret"...

actually, i am in the middle of exams so will not be able to devote much/any time to do this.

so, I will have to pull out. Sorry, Nesti.