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Old 03-11-2009, 07:21 AM
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For astro imaging it might be worthwhile, since we're shooting such a broad spectrum, for normal terrestial imaging, I believe Adobe RGB pretty much covers most bases. It's a personal preference thing.

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Old 03-11-2009, 07:44 AM
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I really wouldn't recommend playing with CMYK - it's a delicate operation and easy to screw up. A lot of printers will accept Adobe RGB and do the conversion to CMYK themselves.
You miss my point, although yes, leave separation to us professionals if you don't understand what you're doing. Just as a side note - most printers simply use the (almost) default "U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2" separation parameters because they really don't know what they're otherwise doing. Old (read: analogue) prepress skills are mostly forgotten by most of todays printers. There are only a few of the old stalwarts still around that truly understand press colour. In saying this, when you think you're doing the right thing by handing your RGB to these guys, they generally know precious little more than you do when it comes to what the actual process does. Only major print shops have these skills any more.

What I was trying to impart is that understanding CMYK is important in that the CMYK colour space is far less dynamic than RGB, and this must be considered by you when attempting to send your work in for print. If you want, or expect, bright pantone colour that your home printer might half deliver, you will be very sorely disappointed in what comes out on a web offset commercial press. If you understand the gamut range, at least, then your expectations might be at least in the ball park.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:40 AM
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Agreed. I know very little about CMYK process, other than it's a demanding art, best left to the printers. I'm a bit worried now though with your comments - it seems that it's a trend for printers not to do proper CMYK conversion, or have I misunderstood?

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Old 03-11-2009, 10:47 AM
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"Printer" and "prepress" are two different things.

Most small commercial printers don't have any old prepress skills left at all - the younger their staff, the worse. They separate to defaults and hope for the best. Gone, mostly, are the days where you hand a calibrated analog or digital proof that you'd received from prepress (and consequently signed-off on) and expect the printers to adhere to on press. Unbeknown to most, proofs are NOT a "representation" of what to expect, but are what good printers use as as a press "target".
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:35 AM
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Now I'm really scared! That's it, no printing for this lad!

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Old 10-11-2009, 01:00 AM
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Chris is right! The older "real" printers use the color proofs that clients sign off on as the benchmark so to speak to match the final printout so that the colors are as close as possible to what has been produced by the color-separated negs to make those printing plates to print from; of course these days the Y-Gen printers have DTP (direct-to-plate) and now DTP (direct-to-press) technology to work with
With the CMYK printing process one is limited to how much "gain" you can have with the dots-per-inch mechanical resolution of the printing presses as well as the limitations of the paper stock that it is being printed on; it can only have so much ink on it (bearing in mind that the CMYK print process uses 4 colored dots to make the full color image) before it saturates physically with the inks!
Adobe was the pioneer in DTP (desktop publishing) and had everyone using their "standards" that they set long time ago and thus became the industry's defacto standard; and in the early days the Mac was the platform that you use if you are into DTP (even today the majority of graphic designers use the Mac - although I might be mistaken - the PC is still playing catch-up in this regards) and the pre-press workflow was mostly influenced by Adobe "standards".
When digital photography progressed to what it is today, Adobe still rulz and in order to use your digitally captured image to print media you would of course use Adobe RGB rather than sRGB which is more for the digital world of PCs and monitors

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Old 10-11-2009, 04:49 PM
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Troy that was a good read. introduces a little more information to whats going on inside the LCD/Printer. I use a colour calibration tool called a Spyder ver 3.0 on the 19" Dell HD monitor here at uni which produces very vibrant colours and the printer i use is what they talk about in that write up the Epson K3 Ultrachrome. it has so many different ink catridges its not funny. but the output on illford gallerie photo paper you would think that it is a proper photo!

Its just good to know that theres something slightly bigger. now all i have to do is get my programs to output to either PhotoproRGB or to leave it as a blank canvas and get photoshop to embed a colour profile.!... off to the workshop again
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