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Old 30-10-2009, 06:13 PM
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I'm confused.... if the resolution is 10cm per pixel... the detail of my hand(and the extended finger) would all be in just one pixel and therefore gone?
Same goes for number plates that have ~70mm high numbers?
Perhaps you meant 10mm resolution?
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Old 30-10-2009, 06:16 PM
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Me too Simon,

that sorta doesn't answer my question Carl....
I mean, the Google Earth pic of my dome is probably that clear.
I can make out details probably close to 10cm in that.
And that's just a Landsat or something.

Hmm strange looking black car just pulled up outside...
Excuse me while I go get the doo..............
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Me too Simon,

that sorta doesn't answer my question Carl....
I mean, the Google Earth pic of my dome is probably that clear.
I can make out details probably close to 10cm in that.
And that's just a Landsat or something.

Hmm strange looking black car just pulled up outside...
Excuse me while I go get the doo..............
This will fill you in on Google Earth's capabilities
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Old 30-10-2009, 10:13 PM
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Great news Les


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LOL!!!
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Refer to my post: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=48733

I am happy to amend my original post because now that this high res image is available, it is clear that what I have marked as that LR, is the exact location of that flag!
From the attached image on this thread, which is a screen shot of the film camera of Apollo 17's ascent that pattern of surface features matches the current high res image provided by Les.

I might sit down and repost my still images from the ascent.

Thanks Les for posting
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Old 31-10-2009, 02:24 PM
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Me too Simon, that sorta doesn't answer my question Carl.... I mean, the Google Earth pic of my dome is probably that clear. I can make out details probably close to 10cm in that.
And that's just a Landsat or something.
KH-12 for example weighs in at almost 20,000kg and this is typical of spy satellites that are used for very high-resolution imaging. NASA (especially since the Saturn V was retired) does not have the capability to send that sort of mass into lunar orbit. It can be sent to Earth orbit but not to the moon (that requires a much more powerful launch stack -- which NASA doesn't have at the moment).This may be eventually corrected if the Ares V goes into production and it will be able to carry that sort of payload to the Moon.

You have to remember that images of that sort of resolution (say a few centimeters) are taken by spy satellites that are dedicated to that sort of stuff and hence have huge optics in a massive satellite and .. little else (One imagines). The LRO on the other hand is over 90% less massive than KH-12 and was launched on an Atlas V

But why would that sort of resolution it be needed in imaging the Moon with the LRO given its mission objectives anyway?

The LRO has to pack a total of seven experiments including the imaging cameras (three) into just 1,800kg. Do they need to resolve details as small as a centimetre for the purposes of the mission objectives? No. Is a two metre aperture camera required? No.

The LRO didn't go there to take pretty pictures and prove (yet again) that the Apollo astronauts went to the Moon. That isn't it's purpose -- that was just a happy by-product. It would be a huge waste of NASA resources to send something to lunar polar orbit just to take pictures at a resolution that has little scientific value in achieving the mission objectives.

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Old 31-10-2009, 03:08 PM
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The LRO didn't go there to take pretty pictures and prove (yet again) that the Apollo astronauts went to the Moon. That isn't it's purpose -- that was just a happy by-product. It would be a huge waste of NASA resources to send something to lunar polar orbit just to take pictures at a resolution that has little scientific value in achieving the mission objectives.

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Les D
Perfect sense Les, thank you for your detailed answer.

regards,

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My vote would be a big NO Les

There are better images of decent resolution that arn't enough
and never will be to convince the whackos .
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Somehow a grainy shot from further away won't cut it either
methinks.
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Old 31-10-2009, 03:18 PM
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Excellent response, thanks Les. NASA could take better detailed images but there is no need, and the Apollo site images are a "by-product" of the original mission objectives.

I cannot get past the fasciniation of looking at these images, however. Just brilliant!
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