Download limits on Broadband

[sheeny (Al)]

When I was in town I was on unlimited ADSL for just under $50 a month (256kb/s) through ix.net.au.

Since I've moved out of town, I have no choice but satellite which does not have unlimited download plans. My history in town suggested I could get away with a 3GB plan, so that what we took. It turned out my 3GB plan was 3GB peak and 3GB off peak, however, the transmission rate went from 256kb/s up to 1Mb/s... great you'd think... well it's a double edged sword.

Firstly, on satellite both uploads and downloads count, not just downloads. Secondly, the faster speed means you actually download more during the time you're on the net... dare I say, the convenience means you do more surfing.

My provider has since changed plans to "unleashed", so the price went down and we got 3GB peak plus 6GB off peak and the transmission rate went up to 4Mb/s... and so we still struggle to manage the peak traffic. My problem is my two teenage step daughters - they love facebook and bebo etc. Of course I haven't helped matters by installing wireless network so there's no waiting to use a computer .



Al.

[bobson (Bob)]

Not piracy, my daughters somehow blew up 10 gig a month just by chating with the friends on messenger and such. Did you see how content rich is new messenger, and how big is the bloody software to install.

At the same time my brother who lives in Swiss got wireless plan for $29 Franks and no download limit!

Competition mate, thats what we need here. I remember when one British IT specialist called Australian broadband Froadband.

Wireless is the future not fiber nor coper.

Why do you think Cisco payed 52 milion dollars to Murdoch profesors for their MAN, hey its only MAN (Metropolitan Area Network).

Cisco reps are also very disappointed with Telstra and the rest.

[MrB (Simon)]

Originally Posted by dpastern

Unfortunately, with ADSL (and more especially, ADSL2+), distance rules. Anything more than around 4km cabling wise is going to be problematic with both noise and occupancy issues (not to mention attenuation). Telstra wholesale

Thanks, I'm fully aware of how it works.
BTW, Telstra had absolutely nothing to do with my NDSL application, except for(had it been approved)... pulling my copper wire out of their hardware and plugging it into someone elses.

(it's just how it works, griping about it won't fix it or change it)

Of all the people on IIS, YOU are telling me not to gripe? hahahahahaha

[Kevnool (Kev)]

Originally Posted by Ian Robinson

Who's the provider and what plan is it ?

Internode.....there based in adelaide.

www.internode.on.net

Cheers Kev.

[Kevnool (Kev)]

Originally Posted by dpastern

Piracy. Plain and simple.

Dave

Straight to the point.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by sheeny

Firstly, on satellite both uploads and downloads count, not just downloads. Secondly, the faster speed means you actually download more during the time you're on the net... dare I say, the convenience means you do more surfing.
Al.

Al - satellite...you poor thing

Dave

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by bobson

Not piracy, my daughters somehow blew up 10 gig a month just by chating with the friends on messenger and such. Did you see how content rich is new messenger, and how big is the bloody software to install

There's no way you'd use 10gb just chatting away on msn messenger. No way at all. I don't think your daughters are telling you the truth on what they use the Internet for ;-)

I guarantee that every kid under 25 is torrenting. It's rife (and illegal).

Dave

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by MrB

Thanks, I'm fully aware of how it works.
BTW, Telstra had absolutely nothing to do with my NDSL application, except for(had it been approved)... pulling my copper wire out of their hardware and plugging it into someone elses.

Of all the people on IIS, YOU are telling me not to gripe? hahahahahaha

I hate to tell you but it's very very likely that the PSTN is owned by Telstra. So, they highly likely have a hand in it. Then there's the local MDF, the exchange end (true, the DSLAM in question is not owned by Telstra I'd say). Just cos it's naked dsl doesn't mean there's no phone line infrastructure ;-)

Thanks for the snide remark.

Dave

[bobson (Bob)]

David,

I agree, its not just chating on line that takes 10gb.

I know what you mean about piracy and the rest. But I am not beginner in this either. I was hoping to get a job just like yours but it wasn't to be.

I fully control what, where and when my kids go on the net. A few movie previews, a few youtube videos, a few video conferences and there you go.

I agree with you about Telstra.
At the same time its huge country we have.
But wireless is the future.

bob

[Jules76 (Julian)]

Originally Posted by dpastern

I guarantee that every kid under 25 is torrenting. It's rife (and illegal).

Just to clarify, Bittorrent is NOT illegal, it's what people are downloading using bittorrent which is. Bittorrent is just another download protocol (and a good one at that) which has been hijacked by pirates and unfortunately gets painted with the same brush.

[MrB (Simon)]

Originally Posted by dpastern

I hate to tell you but it's very very likely that the PSTN is owned by Telstra. So, they highly likely have a hand in it. Then there's the local MDF, the exchange end (true, the DSLAM in question is not owned by Telstra I'd say). Just cos it's naked dsl doesn't mean there's no phone line infrastructure ;-)

True, the line was placed by Telstra(Telecom) many decades ago....
However, this:

Originally Posted by dpastern

Telstra wholesale generally limits new connections - if you've applied for ADSL2+ and the speed is going to be less than a 1500 kbps connection, they'll reject it. If you're a certain distance or greater from the exchange, they'll automatically reject it too.

Was what I was commenting on. I probably should have been more clear.

Thanks for the snide remark.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by Jules76

Just to clarify, Bittorrent is NOT illegal, it's what people are downloading using bittorrent which is. Bittorrent is just another download protocol (and a good one at that) which has been hijacked by pirates and unfortunately gets painted with the same brush.

Yes, you are correct, and I realised the error in my prior post after I'd submitted it. Using bittorent to download pirated movies and music is illegal. Using bittorent to download legitimate items (as an example, Linux ISOs) is perfectly legal. That said, I guarantee that 99% of torrenting is involved with illegal items.

And - there are strong pushes from the RIAA/MPAA and their lackeys in the US to make bittorent illegal. If that happens, it'll almost certainly filter to Australia.

Dave

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Bob - there are jobs out there in the industry, keep looking! Smaller ISPs are a better go imho - you'll learn far more, and have far more access.

Telstra must be made legally accountable for their sins, but it seems that no government has the backbone to do so, and to do so in the right way.

There are ways around filters etc. Boot off a live Linux cd/dvd, mount the hdd, download content to it. voila.

Dave

Originally Posted by bobson

David,

I agree, its not just chating on line that takes 10gb.

I know what you mean about piracy and the rest. But I am not beginner in this either. I was hoping to get a job just like yours but it wasn't to be.

I fully control what, where and when my kids go on the net. A few movie previews, a few youtube videos, a few video conferences and there you go.

I agree with you about Telstra.
At the same time its huge country we have.
But wireless is the future.

bob

[Ian Robinson]

When the FTA networks get rid of "reality TV" and wall to wall horse racing, zoom zooms and other crappy vision like wall to wall footy , cricket, tennis and the like, and start putting half decent programs on air.
I'll stop downloading.

Please don't go preaching to us about torrenting being illegal.

Downloading torrents for personal viewing is no worse than taping or recording on DVD or you TV's HDD those programs you want to watch later or missed.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by MrB

True, the line was placed by Telstra(Telecom) many decades ago....
However, this:

Was what I was commenting on. I probably should have been more clear.

I think you'll find that no matter who the ISP, they'll auto reject connections pretty much similar to the manner that Telstra does. There's no point in giving a customer an ADSL connection that's 8 or 9km away from the exchange, and what will have massive noise/attenuation issues and thus require a strong profile against the connection, and a very slow speed. Customer's will usually whine long and hard about this. Better not to give it to them in the first place. When you order an ADSL connection, that's the maximum speed, it's not a guarantee that you'll get it. Most ISPs do generally try very hard to give you what you pay for.



snide comment is all good Simon, I do see the funny side of it ;-)

Dave

[Davros (Lauren)]

Piracy moralistic high horses aside, our telcos are ripping us off blind. Lousy internet speed and download limitations plus useless mobile coverage. To quote the venerable Homer Simpson did we loose a war !!! When a Masai tribesman can check his stock prices on his broadband enabled mobile phone in the middle of the Omo valley and i cant even get phone signal 20kms from home i think there is a problem. I would like to have the American wireless internet access everywhere system.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by Ian Robinson

When the FTA networks get rid of "reality TV" and wall to wall horse racing, zoom zooms and other crappy vision like wall to wall footy , cricket, tennis and the like, and start putting half decent programs on air.
I'll stop downloading.

Please don't go preaching to us about torrenting being illegal.

Downloading torrents for personal viewing is no worse than taping or recording on DVD or you TV's HDD those programs you want to watch later or missed.

It's no worse, but it is still copyrighted material, and you are breaking the law by downloading it illegally. Most ISPs will let it slide if you get one infringement notice, but if you get a few, they'll cancel your service. Most of the companies hunting down infringers will tolerate one or 2 warnings to the same person, other than that, they'll take legal action against the ISP. No ISP will jeopardise their customers, or income, for just an individual. They'll terminate your service before they do that. Been there, and seen that.

If you use private trackers, you've got far less chance of getting caught. Piracy is piracy. You may not have strong morals, but I do. Stealing is stealing.

Dave

[MrB (Simon)]

Originally Posted by dpastern

I think you'll find that no matter who the ISP, they'll auto reject connections pretty much similar to the manner that Telstra does.

Yep, though the 'auto' part didn't reject me... their initial checks based on my phone number and my street address were great... took them almost two months after that to get back to me to say.. actually, no, you can't have it.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Was that Telstra bigpond Simon? If so, doesn't surprise me. Telstra's retail side is crap, their wholesale side is actually very good, far better than ZedRez or AAPT/powertel.

Dave

[MrB (Simon)]

Thought we cleared that up already?
It was iiNET.