Is the LHC an LSD factory? - Page 2

renormalised (Carl) · #21 21-10-2009, 12:04 AM

You don't need drugs to get to altered states of consciousness. Just a well trained mind-body connection and good meditative practice. Drugs may get you there quick, but they muddy the waters.

Your own brain chemistry can do some wacky things.

AstralTraveller (David) · #22 21-10-2009, 10:17 AM

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....I think mine is fairly accurate... especially considering I did it up in MSPaint..

It's not bad. Your h3c3 groups are actually h5c2. You also show some hydrogens specifically but others only implicitly. The attached diagram does the same. I think the reason is that the stereochemistry of sp3 hybridised carbon atoms can have different conformations (and the differences may be significant) whereas the sp2 hybridised carbons are constrained.

Nesti (Mark) · #23 21-10-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by renormalised

You don't need drugs to get to altered states of consciousness. Just a well trained mind-body connection and good meditative practice. Drugs may get you there quick, but they muddy the waters.

Your own brain chemistry can do some wacky things.

For the last week we've had a Tibetan Lama over teaching meditation techniques and an introduction to Tibetan Ayurvedic Medicine (will be teaching both here soon under license of the Sera Jey Monastery).

Over the years I've had some amazing meditation experiences; absolutely no need for drugs here either...except for Coka Cola...the "Black Aspro".

Satchmo · #24 21-10-2009, 03:53 PM

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Over the years I've had some amazing meditation experiences; absolutely no need for drugs here either...except for Coka Cola...the "Black Aspro".

Meditation is not generally a reliable or highly effective path to altered states of mind IMHO. As an exercise/ practice in itself it is very useful.

Sleep deprivation is far more effective

renormalised (Carl) · #25 21-10-2009, 06:20 PM

Depends on the type of meditation you're doing.

AlexN · #26 21-10-2009, 06:36 PM

Meditate all you want.. The Maztech indians had it down pat... 300g psychotria viridis leaf. 600g caapi vine root, 4L water. heat, but dont boil until there is 500ml of water remaining. discard plant matter, drink, then begin meditaton... The next 5 ~ 8 hours will be very interesting..

renormalised (Carl) · #27 21-10-2009, 06:43 PM

Ayahuasca, peyote, psilocybin, ergot...whatever poison takes your fancy, will all do the same thing. But they leave you totally out of control of the experience. That's when it can be dangerous.

Jules76 (Julian) · #28 21-10-2009, 09:51 PM

Okay....back to the video.....

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I thought it was great! Who cares if they are "dumbing down" the science to make it more understandable for the "average folk". It's all done in good humour and if anything, it's given a human face to the experiment they are conducting which is fantastic. Why does science always have to be so serious?

Good on them!

Looks like a great place to work.

Satchmo · #29 22-10-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexN

Meditate all you want.. The Maztech indians had it down pat... 300g psychotria viridis leaf. 600g caapi vine root, 4L water. heat, but dont boil until there is 500ml of water remaining. discard plant matter, drink, then begin meditaton... The next 5 ~ 8 hours will be very interesting..

Thousands of eco tourists visit South America to do Ayahuascha retreats every year. Its becoming a huge industry and valuable income for the indigenous locals..

renormalised (Carl) · #30 22-10-2009, 11:30 AM

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Thousands of eco tourists visit South America to do Ayahuascha retreats every year. Its becoming a huge industry and valuable income for the indigenous locals..

Go to the Amazon, meet the locals, spin out and possibly have a psychotic episode

JimmyH155 · #31 22-10-2009, 02:00 PM

Yes, rats in the long tunnel - great danger. I have a European car (Citroen C4) I have had a mouse problem. Started with the windscreen wipers sticking on, then off, then on and I had to disconnect battery to stop them.

Took it to dealer - said cause was big mouse nest and they had been chewing the wires

Now how about the LHC WOW, 27 klms of tunnels for the rats to breed in, all those millions

of wires to chew through.
Just imagine, we could all be blown up because a rat had gobbled up a Higgs Boson and short circuited it to a left hand spinning Quark

Better not let those scientists go into the tunnel with their sandwiches.

renormalised (Carl) · #32 22-10-2009, 02:05 PM

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we could all be blown up because a rat had gobbled up a Higgs Boson

Nah...he'd just put on weight

JimmyH155 · #33 23-10-2009, 02:11 PM

You're right there, Renormalised. He could put on A LOT of weight what with all those magnetic fields whizzing past. He might MUTATE into something horrible and then burst his way out of the tunnel and start throwing black holes at us.

Too awful to contemplate. Best to use that 27 klm tunnel to grow mushrooms in